(November 10, 2015 at 12:45 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:(November 9, 2015 at 8:35 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: To Drich, and other theists/apologists, it must be our ignorance that makes us not like/follow along with their religion. They cannot allow for any other answer.No there are many other reasons: 1) Vanity: If God exists then you cannot set yourself up as your own god, 2) Lust & Greed: If God exists then you can justify your favorite immorality, 3) Relativism: If God doesn't exist then you can make up your own personal truth and no one can tell you you're wrong. The list goes on.
1. Since atheists don't believe in gods, how can they be their own?
2. This reminds me of that Mormon guy who was here for a bit who wanted to deconvert so he could divorce his wife. His problem (and yours) is that faith/absence of faith doesn't really work like that. If you believe in something, you can't just snap your fingers and stop believing. Beliefs aren't feelings, but ideas. And in order to change them, you must be able to accept new information, and reassess whether those old ideas hold up under scrutiny. Really enjoying x - by itself - doesn't add new info. The circumstances surrounding x might, but not the action itself.
The Mormon guy, AFAIK, is still Mormon. He kept defending his faith at every turn, and we chastised him for his dishonesty to himself. He really didn't want to deconvert (which I don't think anyone here really cared about one way or the other). He just wanted to dump his wife without attempting to at least work things out.
But it shows that even if you want to do something that's completely against your faith, you can't simply turn your faith on and off like a light switch. It's hard to imagine there being any legit theist becoming an atheist simply because they wanted to sin. Life's more complicated than that.
3. While there are stubborn gits anywhere, I'd say that atheists are completely fine with changing their minds when presented with evidence and reason. Problem is, theists don't bring anything new to the table there. It's all old, debunked, refuted regurgitation.
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