Review so far of the Romans study

[Wyrd of Gawd]

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It seems the actual thread went off in several directions, the strongest was a discussion on the validity of Paul himself as an apostle. which is fine, and i ask if you wish to discuss this post in that thread. The next biggest point of discussion was on the correlation between the differences Paul lays out in Evil and Sin. He starts in romans 1 identifying what Evil is and How God deals with Evil people. The short answer is Evil is not about what we do, but how we look at the sin. Meaning our actions have no 'evil' in them/the acts are not graded on a morality scale as most of you believe. It is our heart or love for these sinful acts that makes them/us evil. Then he gives a list of how evil is manifest in people who do not want to know God. in short something as stupid as gossip can be considered Evil if you are not willing to repent of it.

Romans 2 Paul Verfies this by telling the members of the church or potential members that Do not judge those of Romans 1 as evil, because we can not know their hearts, and you can not judge their actions because every one of the sins (Meaning the physical act) mentioned in Romans 1 (and of the evil people who commit them) is also present in the people of romans 2 (the church) The only difference is the people of romans 1 love their sin, and God has turned them over to their sins, while the people of romans 2 know what they do is wrong and want to repent of it.

Just incase you did not want to eye bleed through 50 pages of dry step by step explaination repeated over and over..

The most important take away here is 'evil acts' are not a progression declining bottom level sin. (worst of the worse) Evil is a love for sin. A love for sin that is greater than a love for God. (Which means any sin no matter how small can be evil) When this truly happens God turns the evil person over to their sin. Meaning the sinner justifies or even makes their sin apart of their 'morality.' Sin becomes right, and God's Righteousness becomes wrong.

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if God didnt want us to sin and we will burn in hell for eternity for sinning then why did God create sin in the first place and create us to enjoy sinning ?

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so " paul starts in romans 1 identifying what Evil is and How God deals with Evil people. " -  how a just and fair and loving God should "deal with evil people" is to apologize for the suffering that he created for humanity and spending the rest of eternity making up for it - not sending his confused innocent creations to eternal torture ... so the god of your bible created evil put his innocent creations in a world he allowed to be corrupted by evil and allowed the people to be deceived by evil and sin and then is going to judge them for sinning and being decieved by the evil that he put here ...



ok go on 

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Biblical sin is nothing more than disobeying what you've been told to do or not do.  If the God character tells you to gut and roast an entire town it's not a sin to do that.  It's a sin if you don't do it.  It's a sin for Jews to charge other Jews interest.  It's perfectly acceptable for them to gouge Gentiles with high interest rates.  Jesus said so.  Rape isn't a sin if it's done under the right circumstances.  

Evil is simply disobedience.  Cain wasn't evil or sinful when he killed Abel because God never said that he couldn't kill him.  Abraham got a gold star because he killed Isaac although he lied to get Isaac in a position to kill him.  Of course in the fairy tale the crazy old coot didn't kill Isaac, he just did everything necessary to do it.  Later on Jesus said that if you think it you've done it.