(November 15, 2015 at 5:30 am)robvalue Wrote: In regards to salvation, if we have no free will, the criteria is entirely pointless."Free will" is a broken greek philosphy that anyone with 1/2 a brain knows is impossible. At least as it is understood through the rules of the term "Free will."
That said we do not have to have 'free will' in order to be given choice. Even if the choice is narrowed down to A or B we still have the ablity to choose. (Free will would state we make the choices if we don't like A or B we could invent C) Again that would not be biblically accurate. As most of you would agree You do not like the A or B God gives, if you had 'free will' all of you would be opt for a fence sitters "c".
Quote:God has already chosen everything we will do,Again if we are not bound by the greek philosphy of 'free will' then we do not have to be under the rules that govern that philosphy.
If we do not have free will, so what. It does not mean God did not ever give us choice. Even if slaves work 12 hour days they still were given some freedom to choose what they would do when they were not working.
Life is not an either or. It's a mixture. Life is a highway with only two possible directions (That is the election part), but between where you start and where you are going their are many off and on ramps that we are free to choose from.
It's just that you will be judged on the direction you were going when you you die.
Quote:and this decides whether or not we will meet whatever criteria he makes up. God is just finding ways to justify to himself torturing sentient beings for carrying out actions he programmed them with.-or maybe you simply can't wrap your head around that God/Judgment works differently than what you think it does.
Quote:The best interpretation here is that God is actually not aware that we are sentient. That's the only thing that could excuse such behaviour.Are/were the A-holes who shot up paris friday night sentient beings?
Do you want them living with you around your family with no one to oppose them?
Quote:If God hasn't programmed us, but we don't have free will, that just leaves us with some form of behaviour based on random influences that even God can't predict. Even then, we're not to blame for our actions because we have no say in them.How about, God hasn't programmed us, just put us on track with limited options. Even so we get to choose which options to take.
Quote:Drich has clearly stated he doesn't believe God gave us free will, but he may try to deny the logical conclusions as stated above.Those conclusions are only 'logical' when you are bound by the laws of 'freewill.' however if you will allow you mind to see something other than the black or white (we are programed or we are completely independant of God) You will eventually come to the truth outlined in the bible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mscjvqtBWIQ
It is possible for 'both to be happening at the same time.'