Strict gun control in france.

[The Grand Nudger]

Government is influenced by lobbying from industry. The more money the industry has the more influence they can exert on government. Often leading to legislation being stopped or replaced with self legislation which is less effective.

Are you so naive as to not know this?

Hi, shill.  OFC I know that..I rail against it endlessly, but you must have missed that.  Maybe I should randomly insert the word gun into my posts criticizing the corporate buyout of America to get your attention?

Because as that link I posted shows the firearm manufacturers provide most of the funding for the NRA to lobby on their behalf.

-and if our legislators were doing their jobs, that money would be wasted every time their interests don't align with the interests of we the people.  

Oh well that's OK then. Of course self legislation always works and absolutely everybody is responsible all the time. Just reading the copious gun threads on forums shows that to be a fantasy. People carry guns. Guns go off. Accidents happen. People use them for self defence. Mass shootings happen regularly. But that's OK because gun manufacturers tell you to use them safely.

Self legislation, in the context of guns, has been working better than our imposed legislation..yeah.  The gun manufacturers themselves seem to be more interested in gun safety than we are as a society.  People do carry guns, and?  No..they don't just "go off".  "Accident" is the word people use to avoid criminal charges.  People do use them for self defense..you have a problem with people defending themselves?  Mass shootings -don't- happen regularly...and yes.,...gun manufacturers do tell you to use your gun safely.

You are also being inconsistent. On the one hand you complain about your rights being taken away and then try to convince people that you are pro-gun and pro-gun control. Which is it? How can you be pro gun control and be satisfied that your rights are not being taken to some degree?

Because gun control does not necessarily infringe upon my rights, simpleton.  

Argument from emotion that does not address the points that I made. Maybe you should have used the word 'shill' a few more times as an ad homimen, that would have helped.

Okay, shill..because every time you try to make an argument it turns out to be scripted nonsense.  

Yes but not all the gun threads are about gun controls. Many of them are just for gun enthusiasts. No one has explained why Americans are so obsessed about shooting small projectiles at high velocity into inanimate targets. There are no threads about archery, spear chucking or shot putting. Not even any threads about hunting. At least then the gun would just be a tool and can aid in putting food on the table.

I've loved archery for as long as I've loved shooting.....and I make awesome atlatls (which are inexplicable illegal in many states..with regards to hunting).  Are you interested in that conversation?  

I don't see many threads about the fact that there are laws saying how you should drive, or which recreational drugs you shouldn't take, or the fact that the NSA are spying on you etc.

Shouldn't there be laws regarding how a person drives?  We have plenty of "war on drugs threads" - it's a big issue, and you need only enter "NSA" into your search tab at the top right of these boards.  

So you really are moaning that your rights to play with guns are being infringed. Amazing. And instead you would prefer to continue living in a society which is more dangerous due to the presence of guns and the obsession the American public has with them.

Yeah...I'm "moaning" about my rights being infringed..and as a citizen of a country founded upon the idea of rights that's just amaaaayzing.....  We are not more dangerous due to the presence of guns, shill. Neither the presence nor the absence of guns shows a causal relationship with a reduction or increase in crime..violent or otherwise. If you disagree...take that up with the CDC, FBI, and ATF.

So yes, you would prefer to live in a society where violence can and is more easily carried out by other people resulting in more fatalities and injuries so you can play with your guns.

I am not going to judge you for being selfish, we're all wired differently and have different cultural values. I'm just pointing out that it is a selfish act to think that your right to play with guns is more important than other people's survival.

Then go to some place where they value false security over freedom?  My playing with guns doesn't impact anyone's survival, shill.

The crime may still take place but what would you prefer to face, a nervous mugger with or without a gun?

Criminals acquire guns for a reason. They don't carry them around as ornamentation. If guns were not useful in carrying out crime then they wouldn't use them. I don't see any criminals threatening shop staff with handbags for example. And by saying that restricting guns don't stop them acquiring them in the first place you are admitting that criminals seek them out. But that's OK, as long as you can play with your guns.

Actually, alot of criminals do carry guns for ornamentation, but that's besides the point, lol.  OFC criminals seek out guns, we make it awfully easy for them, they just go out and buy them at a reduced price.....so why not?  

You'll have to explain the mechanics of that one in more detail. As it stands, it just looks like cognitive dissonance to me.

Are you saying that the only gun problem in America are people who want to stop others from owning guns? And that the mass shootings, and violent crime is not a problem?

I explain the mechanics of that in every post, every time I correct you, every time I explain the factual reality behind our gun problem juxtaposed against the script you're very clearly following, the script you followed, case in point...with this comment. I -just- told you, explicitly, what I see as the gun problem in the US..and that's about the only thing you didn't deign to respond to...even though you fucking quoted me....because it doesn't allow you room to continue your anti-gun masturbation. It doesn't allow you the opportunity to discredit a pro-gun advocate as "part of the problem", rather than address the points made.

Shill, lol.  
(I probably could have worked it in a few more times but I hope that you're satisfied)