Strict gun control in france.

[The Grand Nudger]

Where exactly have you railed against it endlessly? Certainly not in this thread. I am sorry if I am not intimately involved with everything that you have posted on this forum and others.

But continue with those ad homs. It really convinces people that you aren't struggling here.

Oh shock and surprise, your comments arose from a place of ignorance.  

Whenever the tune is "corporate cocksuckers" I sing the chorus. It's an opportunity I relish, and rarely miss. I took it in this very thread, in response to your comments..as I;m taking it now......and you quoted me as having done so...now didn't you.........?

And if the world was perfect ... The fact is that like it or not legislators are influenced by lobbyists. If they weren't then industries would not continue spending large amounts of money doing it as otherwise, to use your own words, they would be wasting their money. Bribery happens all over the world. This does not change the fact that your hard earned money is going off to an industry that lobbies government and which makes the crime in your society more violent. But to use your own words, you don't give a shit about that.

I think that the bar for perfection is a bit higher than asking someone to do their job, and asking someone to do their job is in no way asking them for perfection.  As I;ve already commented upon..in this very thread, there are US states with comparable rates of gun crime and gun related murders as nations which have banned or severely restricted firearms. So it;s obviously possible to do so, and it obviously doesn't take perfection..or prohibitionism.

Mass shootings don't happen regularly? Relative to what? Third world countries? They certainly do compared to other first world countries.

Why do people feel the need to carry guns in America? Do they also carry war hammers? Swords? Full plate armour? Home-made explosives?

Sure don't....mass shootings are an infinitesimally small fraction of shootings...but they're sensational, so we notice and remember them.  You'd have to ask "people"....you might find that "people" don't feel that need at all, just part of the script.  

Now you're just trying to insult. Frustrating isn't it when you can't argue your case. For example, explaining how previously you bemoaned the fact that "we have a problem with the possibility of an erosion of our rights". If guns are controlled, that means that you do not have the right to buy. Or to use in certain situations. So by definition your rights have been constrained. In the same way that I'm not allowed to get into my car and reverse against the flow of traffic on a motorway.

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But being a simpleton compared to you, I would appreciate you explaining to me how gun control can avoid infringing your rights in any way.

Background checks are gun control..they are not un-constitutional.  Barring felons from firearms is gun control, it is not un-constitutional.  Requiring safe storage of firearms is gun control, it is not unconstitutional.  Preventing minors from buying pistols is gun control, it is not unconstitutional.  

I could go on, and on, and on.  

From what? Where? Cognitive dissonance again. If it was scripted nonsense then you'd be able to counter my points. But you can't.

.....?  Okay, because, apparently, knocking down every misconception you have about gun control, our gun problem, and gun ownership like I was playing whack-a-mole at chucky cheese -isn't- countering your "points"?  

Actually yes. It would make a change from yet another gun thread. I've considered taking up archery myself and buying a bow. I've also wanted to learn how to use a whips and to use throwing knives. Not for any practical reasons but for the fun and satisfaction in mastering a physical skill. I've also been an enthusiastic martial artist in the past. But my society does not have a problem with people using bows, throwing knives and whips for criminal purposes and there is not a massive industry that lobbies government. And if there was, I'd give it up. For example the same reason that I am trying to get the company in charge of my pension to divest from industries that profit from arms trading and fossil fuels.

Excellent, make the thread, it would be awesome.  

And as pointed out before, which you refuse to acknowledge, guns make crime more violent. If guns were useless then why would criminals use them?

Why are you deliberately ignoring this point? One person on a rampage can harm and kill more people than say with armed with only a knife. A knife is limited by its range. Someone can mug a victim more effectively using a gun than a knife. Why is that? Because they don't need to get so close in order to mug them. Why would a mugger use a gun and not the threat of throwing a brick? Because the gun can lead to death or dismemberment. The gun makes the crime more violent.

-and as pointed out before, the fact is...that guns -do not- make crime more violent, or make for more violent crimes.  What else can be said?  

You mean where I previously lived and wish to return? I'm British. I've always lived in a country with strict gun laws. I prefer not having to worry about other people carrying guns. The idea of carrying a gun with me is on a par with wearing a hazmat suit to a dinner party, strapping a landmine to my back or driving to the office everyday in a fully armed Abrams tank. i.e. totally unnecessary and ridiculous.

I don't know how I can be a shill when the issues doesn't personally affect me and I have no vested interest in it. Sorry, you'll have to find some other way to maintain your cognitive dissonance.

I don't worry about other people carrying guns.  I'm more likely, as an american, to shoot myself than to be shot - by a wide margin....within a tiny statistic to begin with.  I don't carry my guns around either..it seems pointless and unsafe.  They come out, plink targets and game, then go back in.  Just like you park your car when you aren;t driving it..rather than hopping out as it rolls past your house and hoping for the best........