What is your purpose here?
You asked for bible versus. I gave you bible versus.
The only thing you did was interpret these the way you wanted. These can be interpreted in many ways both harmful and helpful and every one claims their version is the right one. This is the problem with a man made system that people believe comes from a god.
You asked for evidence. I gave you evidence. You gave none. You simply refuted with some mental gymnastics. Those people in the past died because some one read the bible and said "hmmm I don't like this/these people and now I have the excuse to kill them in the name of God." It happened period. In my own life time there are many people who would have done more than verbally,socially , or physically harm me had it not been for SECULAR law. NO not the one that says not to kill but the one that says freedom of religion (which neither the bible nor its adherence give and still give benevolence).
Here is what I Think you are saying.
"If a people would follow the bible correctly then they would be better people."
I like that idea. that would be great. However many religions or philosophical practices can be viewed this way. Many others have been used to give hope, strength, guidance, and purpose. I don't believe Christianity is special in this way. Nor do i feel that we need a belief in a god to have these things.
You say "It is not Gods fault for the actions of the people." I say I agree but as an atheist I cannot accuse God of anything. The IDEA of God, however, is so strong and so malleable that the past and present harms (that i have posted) were justified by the people that held these ideas.
I understand what you are saying
"all sins are equal...get right with God by believing in Jesus and trying not to sin....and just because some one claims to be Christian doesn't mean they are following the Christian way..." You are not the first to convey this message. In fact, as i have said, It's all over America.
Here is the problem you are meeting from the other side of the net.
A) There is no proof of a god to get right with. Without solid evidence I am not willing to submit to the nonsensical rules of any religion. The ones that do make sense I can (and do) follow.
B) To the critical eye religion looks very much like any other man made tool. Like any tool it can be used or abused. This I have clearly shown. There are over two thousand bible rules. Most of which are great if you are a struggling tribe of people in the desert from the bronze age.
C) when some one (in this case atheists) sees something wrong with the status quo (in this case religion) the status quo often fights back (in this case you).
If you put yourself in the mind of a skeptic you will see that this logic follows (A),(B), and ©. This means then that your sermon will have no effect. Miymoto Musashi said "do nothing that is useless" (book of five rings).
I do what I do because I have seen how religion (note i did not say JUST Christianity) can be used to separate and harm the human race "he who is not with me is against me". If my guess is correct then in your world view when every one (all 7 billion of us) believe the same religion (and interpret the same belief correctly) then and only then will we be united as a people and therefore religious harm will cease. This is probably true as logic goes. In reality this wont happen without the true presence of a god.
Produce this god instead of words that can be written by man, translated, edited, embellished, and interpreted. The skeptic eagerly awaits.
Note that i have changed tactics by attempting to understand the topic not just refuting every little point. I have explained my thinking on the subject while acknowledge what I see as yours.
. Can you do the same
Again i ask ...what is your purpose here?
what you post next will make a large difference to me. Do not be useless.
You asked for bible versus. I gave you bible versus.
The only thing you did was interpret these the way you wanted. These can be interpreted in many ways both harmful and helpful and every one claims their version is the right one. This is the problem with a man made system that people believe comes from a god.
You asked for evidence. I gave you evidence. You gave none. You simply refuted with some mental gymnastics. Those people in the past died because some one read the bible and said "hmmm I don't like this/these people and now I have the excuse to kill them in the name of God." It happened period. In my own life time there are many people who would have done more than verbally,socially , or physically harm me had it not been for SECULAR law. NO not the one that says not to kill but the one that says freedom of religion (which neither the bible nor its adherence give and still give benevolence).
Here is what I Think you are saying.
"If a people would follow the bible correctly then they would be better people."
I like that idea. that would be great. However many religions or philosophical practices can be viewed this way. Many others have been used to give hope, strength, guidance, and purpose. I don't believe Christianity is special in this way. Nor do i feel that we need a belief in a god to have these things.
You say "It is not Gods fault for the actions of the people." I say I agree but as an atheist I cannot accuse God of anything. The IDEA of God, however, is so strong and so malleable that the past and present harms (that i have posted) were justified by the people that held these ideas.
I understand what you are saying
"all sins are equal...get right with God by believing in Jesus and trying not to sin....and just because some one claims to be Christian doesn't mean they are following the Christian way..." You are not the first to convey this message. In fact, as i have said, It's all over America.
Here is the problem you are meeting from the other side of the net.
A) There is no proof of a god to get right with. Without solid evidence I am not willing to submit to the nonsensical rules of any religion. The ones that do make sense I can (and do) follow.
B) To the critical eye religion looks very much like any other man made tool. Like any tool it can be used or abused. This I have clearly shown. There are over two thousand bible rules. Most of which are great if you are a struggling tribe of people in the desert from the bronze age.
C) when some one (in this case atheists) sees something wrong with the status quo (in this case religion) the status quo often fights back (in this case you).
If you put yourself in the mind of a skeptic you will see that this logic follows (A),(B), and ©. This means then that your sermon will have no effect. Miymoto Musashi said "do nothing that is useless" (book of five rings).
I do what I do because I have seen how religion (note i did not say JUST Christianity) can be used to separate and harm the human race "he who is not with me is against me". If my guess is correct then in your world view when every one (all 7 billion of us) believe the same religion (and interpret the same belief correctly) then and only then will we be united as a people and therefore religious harm will cease. This is probably true as logic goes. In reality this wont happen without the true presence of a god.
Produce this god instead of words that can be written by man, translated, edited, embellished, and interpreted. The skeptic eagerly awaits.
Note that i have changed tactics by attempting to understand the topic not just refuting every little point. I have explained my thinking on the subject while acknowledge what I see as yours.
. Can you do the same
Again i ask ...what is your purpose here?
what you post next will make a large difference to me. Do not be useless.
