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God and Morality: Separate Issues
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RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues
(January 1, 2011 at 4:53 pm)Stempy Wrote: If that is what you meant by "God is morality" then fine. But there is no necessity for an advocate of Option 3 to say that "We know God is good because God is good". In fact, that statement has nothing to do with the ontology of morality (which is the what the traditional Moral Arguments are about) but epistemology.

So you're distinguishing the nature of being side of this argument with the nature of our knowledge side? I'm just trying to follow your thinking here.

So why do you feel it's not necessary for an advocate of a position to explain what is meant by that position?

I believe I have shown, epistemologically speaking, that the argument is a tautology. You've created a definition and then used the definition to prove your definition is true. I have reason to suspect that such circular reasoning is a mental slight of hand employed to dodge the dilemma of the first two options.
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God and Morality: Separate Issues - by DeistPaladin - January 1, 2011 at 1:24 pm
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by Stempy - January 1, 2011 at 2:09 pm
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by DeistPaladin - January 1, 2011 at 2:24 pm
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by Stempy - January 1, 2011 at 4:53 pm
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by DeistPaladin - January 3, 2011 at 9:33 am
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by Stempy - January 3, 2011 at 10:10 am
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by DeistPaladin - January 3, 2011 at 11:19 am
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by Stempy - January 3, 2011 at 10:44 pm
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by DeistPaladin - January 4, 2011 at 3:58 pm
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by Stempy - January 4, 2011 at 7:35 pm
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by DeistPaladin - January 5, 2011 at 9:39 am
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by Ryft - January 6, 2011 at 12:28 am
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by theVOID - January 6, 2011 at 10:31 pm
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by Ryft - January 6, 2011 at 10:53 pm
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by DeistPaladin - January 7, 2011 at 11:06 am
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by theVOID - January 5, 2011 at 3:33 am
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by Minimalist - January 1, 2011 at 3:39 pm
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by HeyItsZeus - January 1, 2011 at 4:02 pm
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by Ryft - January 3, 2011 at 11:38 pm
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by Watson - January 4, 2011 at 4:23 pm
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by downbeatplumb - January 4, 2011 at 5:20 pm
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by Watson - January 4, 2011 at 5:24 pm
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by downbeatplumb - January 4, 2011 at 5:28 pm
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by Watson - January 4, 2011 at 5:43 pm
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by Edwardo Piet - January 4, 2011 at 5:44 pm
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by Watson - January 4, 2011 at 6:20 pm
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by Edwardo Piet - January 5, 2011 at 9:50 am
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by theVOID - January 6, 2011 at 11:31 pm
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by Ryft - January 7, 2011 at 1:33 am
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by theVOID - January 8, 2011 at 12:58 am
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by Anomalocaris - January 7, 2011 at 6:37 am
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by Ryft - January 8, 2011 at 10:07 pm
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by DeistPaladin - January 10, 2011 at 9:36 am
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by Godschild - January 14, 2011 at 11:14 pm
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by Captain Scarlet - January 15, 2011 at 2:04 am
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by Godschild - January 18, 2011 at 1:24 am
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by thesummerqueen - January 18, 2011 at 1:27 am
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by padraic - January 18, 2011 at 1:41 am
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by Godschild - January 18, 2011 at 1:46 am
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by thesummerqueen - January 18, 2011 at 1:49 am
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by padraic - January 18, 2011 at 2:35 am
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by thesummerqueen - January 18, 2011 at 4:20 am
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by FadingW - January 18, 2011 at 2:35 am
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by padraic - January 18, 2011 at 4:32 am
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by thesummerqueen - January 18, 2011 at 4:35 am
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by Ryft - January 19, 2011 at 4:34 am
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by DeistPaladin - January 19, 2011 at 10:43 am
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by Captain Scarlet - January 19, 2011 at 12:57 pm
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by Ryft - January 19, 2011 at 8:55 pm
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by Captain Scarlet - January 19, 2011 at 10:15 pm
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by DeistPaladin - January 19, 2011 at 11:17 pm
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by KichigaiNeko - January 20, 2011 at 6:54 am
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by Ryft - January 25, 2011 at 12:53 am
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by DeistPaladin - January 25, 2011 at 9:54 am
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by Captain Scarlet - January 31, 2011 at 12:22 am
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by Ryft - February 6, 2011 at 1:37 am
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by DeistPaladin - February 7, 2011 at 1:01 pm
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by Captain Scarlet - February 7, 2011 at 12:43 am
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by Ryft - February 7, 2011 at 10:56 pm
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by DeistPaladin - February 9, 2011 at 12:48 am
RE: God and Morality: Separate Issues - by Captain Scarlet - February 9, 2011 at 12:26 am

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