God and Morality: Separate Issues

[Ryft]

My debates with Theologica37, where he avoided the first two options by claiming the third. I'll see if I can dig up some more academic sources.

Please do, because I have no idea who Theologica37 is and seriously doubt he constitutes what you and I would consider an apologist (e.g., Norman Geisler). My library has a significant collection so there is a good chance I'll be familiar with your academic references.

Can we agree that anyone, academic or layman, who does make such a claim ["We know God is good because God is good"] is using circular reasoning, as I have explained?

Certainly. And can we agree that it is an epistemological claim, which is categorically distinguished from metaphysical ones? Discussing the nature of morality falls under the latter, while 'how we know' falls under the former. Our discussion will not get anywhere useful if we conflate distinct categories.

Sure, if you are content to beg the question.

Well do tell then, if I've missed any other options. That's what this thread is all about.

I know that is what this thread is about. That's why your statement was question-begging. You can do that if you like, of course, but I will call you out on it.

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Your analogy is flawed...

You criticize it for not being analogous, then make your case by showing how it's not identical. Does anything more need to be said? Of COURSE they're not the same; hence Stempy illustrating his point with an analogy.