RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments?
December 12, 2015 at 8:02 am
(This post was last modified: December 12, 2015 at 8:11 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(December 12, 2015 at 4:29 am)Aractus Wrote:Belief in the supernatural seems to spring up at full modernity, it's one of the metrics of full modernity. We currently place that at 40-50k years ago. Over that time the nature of how we express those beliefs appears to have changed drastically (even for aboriginal australians). We most definitely have not been around for 6 to 13 million years, and it hardly matters how far back our first distinct ancestor is as our first anatomically modern hss ancestors don't appear to have held the beliefs that we later began to express at full modernity....quite the contrary, we appear to have plugged along for up to 200k years before the thought crossed our mind in a way that would be noticeable to us today. We may have believed earlier and simply didn't leave artifacts...but it's pointless to make that claim in the absence of evidence.(December 10, 2015 at 4:39 pm)RobbyPants Wrote: [Citation needed]
From what I know, people haven't been around that long. By what metric are you measuring more good than harm?
People have been around for 6-13 million years, depending on how you want to define our ancestry. But 6 million years ago is when our oldest known ancestor lived that was separate to chimps (and it could stretch back 13 million years), thus from that time our species was "special". Perhaps not as special as it is now, but it was different enough to eventually lead to modern humans.
Belief in the supernatural has been around for as long as we know. The Aborigines here in Australia have a belief system that stretches back at least 40-60,000 years, and theirs is the oldest known & still present belief system. My point is these beliefs are part of human nature.
I don't need to measure it in antiquity, I rely solely on the scientific theories of game theory and evolution (as applied to systems).
I agree that belief is part of human nature....just couldn't stand to watch the point established in such a retarded way.
@Cato, the oldest known aboriginal cave art dates to around or nearly after full modernity. I don't know that this actually expresses a belief in the supernatural, that would be a stretch, but it would be surprising if the aborigines where an outlier. The notion that Aract has expressed, that the rock art of that time is indicative of the same faith tradition that exists today in aborigines is patently ludicrous, however. There's no way to establish the truth of that claim. It would be like claiming that the cave art in france was part of the same tradition of paganism that would dominate the atlantic bronze age.
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