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Poll: Who will/would you vote for?
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Hillary Clinton
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7 25.00%
Bernie Sanders
60.71%
17 60.71%
Donald Trump
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1 3.57%
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10.71%
3 10.71%
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2016 U.S. Presidential Election
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RE: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election
(December 14, 2015 at 10:56 am)Faith No More Wrote:
(December 14, 2015 at 10:28 am)AFTT47 Wrote: Hilary all the way.

My biggest gripe with Sanders (apart from his age) is that he's unrealistic. You can only move so far, so fast. Having unrealistic goals is the same thing as having no plan.

Well, as we all know, the country hit the shitter a while back, and we can either do something new or do more of the same.  With Hilary, you'll just get more of the same and a plan that goes to the highest bidder.  Bernie may have goals that will see strong opposition, but at least you'll get someone that isn't for sale.

My fear is that it's all moot anyway.  The Republican party has become the party of whiners that threaten gridlock every time they don't get their way, and it's hard to get any legislating done when one party of a two-party system is too immature to sit at the adult table.  I think it won't really matter who the Democratic nominee is, because if whoever it is wins, we'll just see more stagnation and petty bickering from the right.  It's like our choices are to be overrun by conservative bullshit or have a government that barely functions.

I wouldn't downplay that consequence.  Look at what the last republican president was able to do: spend the government toward bankrupsy - ON PURPOSE - in order to 'starve the beast'; eagerly go to war to get some use out of our military (regardless of its readiness because "sometimes you've got to go to war with the military you have"); go on appointing still more radically politicized judges to the highest courts in the land; (which will, among other things) further the interests of large corporations over mere human citizens, further widen income inequality, support the incarceration of the population (especially minorities), destroy social security and any other vestige of a social safety blanket if they possibly can, scuttle any serious effort to come to grips with climate change and further erode government regulatory oversight of financial institutions which puts us all at risk.

I have no patience for grand statements of personal preference when all of that is at stake if the stupid/evil party is elected. In case I haven't been clear, I will happily vote for Hillary if she is the nominee and I may yet vote for her in the primary if I feel it is necessary.
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2016 U.S. Presidential Election - by Excited Penguin - December 13, 2015 at 7:40 am
RE: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election - by Longhorn - December 13, 2015 at 7:46 am
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RE: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election - by downbeatplumb - December 29, 2015 at 11:09 am
RE: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election - by Gambit - December 13, 2015 at 7:49 am
RE: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election - by Excited Penguin - December 13, 2015 at 7:52 am
RE: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election - by Gambit - December 13, 2015 at 7:56 am
RE: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election - by Excited Penguin - December 13, 2015 at 7:57 am
RE: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election - by Catholic_Lady - December 13, 2015 at 11:06 am
RE: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election - by Chad32 - December 13, 2015 at 11:16 am
RE: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election - by Excited Penguin - December 13, 2015 at 9:09 pm
RE: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election - by Strider - December 13, 2015 at 11:28 am
RE: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election - by Minimalist - December 13, 2015 at 11:31 am
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RE: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election - by Excited Penguin - December 13, 2015 at 9:29 pm
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RE: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election - by Excited Penguin - December 13, 2015 at 9:14 pm
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RE: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election - by Chad32 - December 13, 2015 at 6:57 pm
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RE: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election - by Excited Penguin - December 13, 2015 at 9:19 pm
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RE: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election - by Excited Penguin - December 13, 2015 at 11:53 pm
RE: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election - by Minimalist - December 14, 2015 at 11:58 am
RE: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election - by Longhorn - December 14, 2015 at 12:04 pm
RE: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election - by Excited Penguin - December 13, 2015 at 11:54 pm
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RE: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election - by AFTT47 - December 14, 2015 at 10:28 am
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