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"The New Atheists are back — and dumber than ever"

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RE: "The New Atheists are back — and dumber than ever"

December 25, 2015 at 6:12 pm (This post was last modified: December 25, 2015 at 6:15 pm by Simon Moon.)

(December 25, 2015 at 6:01 pm)Delicate Wrote:
(December 25, 2015 at 5:19 pm)Stimbo Wrote: That's fine, but then you make the category error of insisting that the basic atheist position is the belief that gods do not exist, despite being corrected multiple times by people who somehow think they know more about what they do and do not believe than you do. See, if the only way you can get your arguments to work is by having to mosrepresent your opponents' position, it might not be their position that's the weak one.
I'm not denying anything people believe, per se. I accept that the position they stake out in public is "lack of evidence"

I'm just rejecting the undefended asserted redefinition of atheism and giving my reasons for it.

I suppose I'm also pointing out the hypocrisy of people who lack belief and yet claim God doesn't exist. This serves as evidence that what people believe, and what they SAY they believe might not be the same thing.

Atheism, for the vast majority of atheists, is not an assertion. It is a response to a claim.

Theists claim that a god exists. Atheists simply are unconvinced by theist's arguments.

So, did you ever stop to consider you are arguing against a straw man of your own construction? Nah, you're way too intelligent to do that...

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.

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