(January 10, 2016 at 12:35 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Theist1 was suppose to me when I first came here. I use to say I believe for reasons that I can only justify to myself and can't prove God. I even had a thread once saying "all logic tells me God doesn't exist but my heart says otherwise".
Theist2 is me having a little courage to find arguments and believe in them and present them.
Theist3 is me coming to religion.
I said Theist but I really meant me. The theist/atheist dialogue phases I been through.
But you are right, if it was a general implication, then it's unfair...a lot Theists here come with not much to dialogue and are rude.
But in all honesty.......I want a sincere dialogue over this issue. And my impression, is over all been this.
The problem for me is this: I don't mind theists who simply believe provided that they don't injure others with the practice of those beliefs. But if a theist insists on attempting to prove god there are two possible responses. One is to be patronizingly accepting: that's nice, good play with your toys. The other is to engage the argument which means explaining why what you have isn't proof.
Perhaps we could discuss what current benefits you get from beleif? I don't mean miracles or afterlife or other things you can't demonstrate, but ways, if any, that belief makes your life better.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.