Mock dialogue of the Theist/Atheist discussion here.

[Mystic]

Jenny A


It's useful question because we do have the means of answering it. I'm asking about your objective value. Not the weight of your body but the value of your self.

How is it possible it exists? Do you know it exists? And how do you know it exists if so? And if not, why you think people believe they have objective value?

Remember your perception of yourself is not what gives it objective value because as you said it's value is there regardless of what think it to be.

I don't have objective value.  That my thought processes exist is objectively verifiable.  You are reading proof of their existence in the form of out put.  But they have no objective value.  Objective value is an oxymoron.  Value, unlike weight is inherently subjective.

Do you have subjective value? If so, how so? Why do you believe in your perception of value of yourself? If not, then you do think it's irrational to value oneself?

I believe I have an objective value and subjective value. My parents have a subjective value of me. I have a subjective value of me. But I don't believe subjective value of a person is possible without a belief that they have objective value.

So to me, personally, I believe that would be a contradiction in terms. The only way to have subjective value  of yourself is to believe there is an objective value of yourself.