Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: December 24, 2024, 8:58 am

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Is philosophy dead?
#47
RE: Is philosophy dead?
(January 11, 2016 at 2:55 am)bennyboy Wrote:
(January 11, 2016 at 1:54 am)Quantum Wrote: I'm not saying that there aren't any pompous assholes promotimg bs in theoretical physics, but it is very rare to have actual know-nothings achieve anything that gets attention in the community, because to say anything that is accepted by your peers even as a proposition, you have to do the math, and the math is hard. People could be rightfully accused of propagatinge bullshit positions on speculative topics, but they still have to have a formidable technical foundation to say these things in the first place. Complete charlatans are therefore usually found out or at least marginalized quickly.
That's right to a degree, I'd say.  You can't just grab a Starbucks coffee and put an iPad in your man-satchel and get a physics degree.  However, it seems to me that much of theoretical physics is as wishy-thinking as the worst of philosophy.  Or it's just philosophy with some math to it.

I think there is a grossly distorted picture of what the majority of theoretical physicists actually do, because literally 99% of the media attention goes to people like Michio Kaku rambling about parallel universes. That is a problem because it misrepresents the nature of what is done by most people. Superstring Theory has also gotten a disproportionate amount of attention esp. in the US. I'll give you this, at the quantum gravity end of things, there is a problematic level of speculation going on because of lack of good data, which is kind of unavoidable given the subject. But still the people working in Superstring theory are mostly not of the waving with your arms and blathering about parallel universe types. Many of them try to advance the mathematical structure behind it, hoping to obtain a clearer picture of the possible consequences of the theory framework. One could call that philosophy with some math, but since the "some math" is among most advanced stuff that has ever been devised, I'd say that the intellectual rigour of that work is much above the "bad philosophy" we are talking about here. Where some of the public voices working in this field go off the rails is when they hype the natural-scientific significance of their results.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition

Reply



Messages In This Thread
Is philosophy dead? - by Mechaghostman2 - January 9, 2016 at 5:04 am
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by robvalue - January 9, 2016 at 5:07 am
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by Alex K - January 9, 2016 at 6:21 am
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by Jackalope - January 10, 2016 at 3:22 am
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by robvalue - January 9, 2016 at 7:25 am
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by Faith No More - January 9, 2016 at 8:41 am
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by Alex K - January 9, 2016 at 10:32 am
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by LastPoet - January 9, 2016 at 8:54 am
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by The Valkyrie - January 9, 2016 at 8:55 am
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by Marsellus Wallace - January 9, 2016 at 10:09 am
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by bennyboy - January 9, 2016 at 10:45 am
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by Mechaghostman2 - January 9, 2016 at 11:16 am
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by bennyboy - January 10, 2016 at 3:00 am
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by bennyboy - January 10, 2016 at 3:00 am
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by Mechaghostman2 - January 10, 2016 at 3:21 am
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by Jackalope - January 10, 2016 at 3:28 am
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by bennyboy - January 10, 2016 at 3:58 am
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by Jackalope - January 10, 2016 at 5:34 am
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by bennyboy - January 10, 2016 at 8:12 am
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by Jackalope - January 10, 2016 at 8:22 am
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by Alex K - January 10, 2016 at 11:15 am
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by Jackalope - January 10, 2016 at 3:20 pm
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by Jackalope - January 10, 2016 at 8:23 am
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by bennyboy - January 10, 2016 at 3:51 am
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by Cato - January 9, 2016 at 11:45 am
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by robvalue - January 10, 2016 at 3:46 am
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by Edwardo Piet - January 10, 2016 at 8:46 am
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by The Grand Nudger - January 10, 2016 at 9:20 am
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by bennyboy - January 10, 2016 at 7:26 pm
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by *Deidre* - January 10, 2016 at 3:32 pm
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by bennyboy - January 10, 2016 at 7:17 pm
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by *Deidre* - January 10, 2016 at 7:30 pm
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by bennyboy - January 10, 2016 at 8:18 pm
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by *Deidre* - January 10, 2016 at 8:20 pm
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by Whateverist - January 10, 2016 at 9:45 pm
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by The Grand Nudger - January 10, 2016 at 9:49 pm
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by bennyboy - January 10, 2016 at 11:06 pm
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by Alex K - January 11, 2016 at 1:54 am
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by bennyboy - January 11, 2016 at 2:55 am
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by Alex K - January 11, 2016 at 5:12 am
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by bennyboy - January 11, 2016 at 5:58 am
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by Alex K - January 11, 2016 at 6:10 am
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by Whateverist - January 10, 2016 at 10:06 pm
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by Whateverist - January 10, 2016 at 10:11 pm
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by The Grand Nudger - January 10, 2016 at 10:12 pm
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by Jackalope - January 11, 2016 at 4:10 am
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by The Grand Nudger - January 11, 2016 at 1:11 am
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by bennyboy - January 11, 2016 at 1:28 am
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by The Grand Nudger - January 11, 2016 at 1:33 am
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by robvalue - January 11, 2016 at 5:38 am
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by Silver - January 11, 2016 at 5:44 am
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by bennyboy - January 11, 2016 at 5:59 am
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by Whateverist - January 11, 2016 at 1:08 pm
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by robvalue - January 11, 2016 at 6:02 am
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by bennyboy - January 11, 2016 at 8:36 am
RE: Is philosophy dead? - by The Grand Nudger - January 11, 2016 at 9:43 am

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  How worthless is Philosophy? vulcanlogician 127 12467 May 20, 2024 at 12:19 pm
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  Philosophy Recommendations Harry Haller 21 3172 January 5, 2024 at 10:58 am
Last Post: HappySkeptic
  The Philosophy Of Stupidity. disobey 51 5715 July 27, 2023 at 3:02 am
Last Post: Carl Hickey
  Hippie philosophy Fake Messiah 19 2190 January 21, 2023 at 1:56 pm
Last Post: Angrboda
  [Serious] Generally speaking, is philosophy a worthwhile subject of study? Disagreeable 238 20624 May 21, 2022 at 10:38 am
Last Post: highdimensionman
  My philosophy about Religion SuicideCommando01 18 3490 April 5, 2020 at 9:52 pm
Last Post: SuicideCommando01
  High level philosophy robvalue 46 6507 November 1, 2018 at 10:44 pm
Last Post: DLJ
  Why I'm here: a Muslim. My Philosophy in life. What is yours;Muslim? WinterHold 43 10476 May 27, 2018 at 12:20 am
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  The Philosophy of Mind: Zombies, "radical emergence" and evidence of non-experiential Edwardo Piet 82 15201 April 29, 2018 at 1:57 am
Last Post: bennyboy
  Revolution in Philosophy? Jehanne 11 2760 April 4, 2018 at 9:01 am
Last Post: Jehanne



Users browsing this thread: 2 Guest(s)