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I called a friend who is a believer...

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RE: I called a friend who is a believer...

January 11, 2016 at 6:30 pm

(January 9, 2016 at 9:32 pm)drfuzzy Wrote:
(January 9, 2016 at 7:11 pm)Old Baby Wrote:

I'm going to ignore your assumptions about my Christian life, because you simply don't know what you're talking about. If there's something about my deconversion story that you find confusing or need more information about, I'm happy to explain.

Here's what I'd like to know from you, a true Christian, who will never be swayed from your relationship with God:

1. You say that initially we have to come to God in faith, then knowledge of his existence comes through a growing relationship. Explain the initial process of coming to Christ in faith. How does that work? After 30+ years in Christianity, I still don't understand belief without a rational basis. Is this initial belief a product of human will? Is it initially activated by God himself? Or are you suggesting that faith precedes belief? So, in other words my initial belief is unimportant, but only that I throw myself at Christ's feet and begin following? Then, belief comes over time? Explain.

2. How does the "knowledge of his reality" work? Is it completely an internal knowing or is it something that you can relate to others? You say that you've had experiences that are undeniable. I'm assuming you mean that you cannot deny to yourself the legitimacy of those experiences. Are we talking about miracles? Tell me about your most compelling experience with God that you cannot deny.

3. Why does God make himself obscure to some of us? Does God expect people to search for him using faculties other than those he equipped us with to interpret the material world? If God doesn't seemingly feel it's important to reveal himself to everyone, why do his followers feel it's important to make his case to those who God hasn't revealed himself to. Yes, I'm leaving myself wide open here to "I don't believe in atheists" or some derivative.

Oh please. With all of the books written, all of the analysis done, no contradictions in the scriptures?? Just what kind of freaking blinders would somebody have to be wearing to even say such a thing?

Here: Bibvis Bibviz.com. 673 Biblical contradictions, for a start, laid out nice and clean, with all sorts of informational links.

Those have been falsified, want to bring something new.

GC

God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.

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I called a friend who is a believer... - by Old Baby - January 6, 2016 at 10:28 pm

RE: I called a friend who is a believer... - by dyresand - January 6, 2016 at 10:34 pm

RE: I called a friend who is a believer... - by Chad32 - January 6, 2016 at 10:36 pm

RE: I called a friend who is a believer... - by Old Baby - January 6, 2016 at 10:49 pm

RE: I called a friend who is a believer... - by Alex K - January 6, 2016 at 10:57 pm

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RE: I called a friend who is a believer... - by Godschild - January 7, 2016 at 12:52 am

RE: I called a friend who is a believer... - by dyresand - January 7, 2016 at 9:48 am

RE: I called a friend who is a believer... - by Old Baby - January 7, 2016 at 10:57 am

RE: I called a friend who is a believer... - by Godschild - January 7, 2016 at 9:34 pm

RE: I called a friend who is a believer... - by I_am_not_mafia - January 8, 2016 at 4:27 am

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RE: I called a friend who is a believer... - by MTL - January 8, 2016 at 12:22 pm

RE: I called a friend who is a believer... - by MTL - January 8, 2016 at 6:11 am

RE: I called a friend who is a believer... - by Pat Mustard - January 12, 2016 at 9:48 am

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RE: I called a friend who is a believer... - by rexbeccarox - January 7, 2016 at 12:56 am

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RE: I called a friend who is a believer... - by I_am_not_mafia - January 8, 2016 at 6:24 am

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