(January 27, 2016 at 2:31 pm)Drich Wrote:(January 27, 2016 at 1:37 pm)loganonekenobi Wrote: I hold to the view that most of this topic is all man made.
Religion is man made, morality is man made, laws are man made.
That being the idea then all of these are subject to change.
The question is why do they change? My guess (since i'm not a scholar on this subject) is that some one some where looked at a current "moral" and asked themselves (thinking for themselves) "Is this particular action the right thing to do? IE slavery. Would I be okay with this if I where on the other end of it?"
my guess is that a moral or law started out with what appeared to be a need. IE slavery to do the work. then as time goes on the suffering of others is experienced by those present. As humans are by nature at least cooperative creatures, it is easy for most of us to feel the suffering of others and see the current moral as needing change.
Also i believe that our understanding of reality changes what we view as moral. for instance homosexuality would be considered bad by some due to
A) not reproducing for the tribe
B) another route for spreading disease
C) fear of what is not understood (the real reason why it is shunned)
D) at the time of Judasim it helped sepperate the actions of their tribe from others.
Now that we have moved out of our tribal existence and have much greater tech to work with most of those are no longer valid.
A) we already have plenty of people on the planet.
B) that's what protection and medical tech is for
C) we understand way more about the phenomena of homosexuality and have come to realize it's just part of nature
D) we are all humans
I for one choose not to live in the bronze age by following a book of morals written for those type of people. It is no longer valid for me.
As for what guides me i simply look at the situation and judge for myself. If i deem that situation is not one that i would consider fair and appropriate if I where on that business end of it then I do not support it.
the universe is always changing. I see no reason why i shouldn't
all of that is Very nice... now answer the questions I ask.
If you were born In 1920's Germany and grew up under those conditions, would have been a good little German and fell into what the rest of society was doing?
If you don't think so, what is it about your currently value system that would transcend time and space and keep you from marching jews into death camps?
alright but if i had a dime for every time i saw a religious poster avoid a direct question I'dd be rich. Please make sure you phrase it in a straight forward manner.
To answer the question. It does not take an extreme power to understand what hurts others and what you would want done to you.
Its the same value system in martial arts that says you dont beat some one that is down and trying to give up. you dont look for fights to prove your worth. The same one that made me stand against Doctor, police, and staff that wanted me to take blood from a patient that refused the blood draw (she was alert and competent).
The same value that stood me against a far superior commander when he didn't have a pass to the amunition supply. He tried to walk past me until i put the gun near his head and once again asked nicely to stop.
The same value that put me against 6 other boys who where beating up a kid that couldn't defend himself.
The same value that had me stop a man from raping a girl that was passed out. No she wasn't my girl friend.
The same value that tells me to stop and help an elderly or pregnant person with a heavy load or other difficult situation even if im going to be late.
the same one that tells me that being naked is not a shamefull thing and that it does not give anyone permision to assume that he or she is looking for sex. (unlike the normal religious view).
I do not consider my self a genius. I dont think i need to be to know what's right and wrong.
Blood, sweat, and tears all very human things that will tell you clearly the right path.