(February 1, 2016 at 7:21 pm)Cecelia Wrote:Wow... So rather than conceed an argument the idea here is to parrot back my actual conclusion but spin it like this is your position... That's a first.(February 1, 2016 at 12:46 pm)Drich Wrote: I am showing a direct parallel between pop morality now and the popular morality of Nazi germany. I am simply asking if your only absolute to define what right and wrong is pop culture, then what keeps us/soceity from following the path of the Nazis?
Nothing keeps society from following that path. If it did, then we wouldn't have had the Nazi's go that path either. The fact is that all morality is 'pop morality' as you call it. Even the morality that comes from the Bible, and other religious texts. Some people base their morality off of these so called holy books, but in the end most people spin their holy books to fit their morality.
Or maybe you haven't read any of the posts you are responding to and don't actually know I am not pushing any form of 'moral behavior'
Quote:If Germany had won World War II most would likely conform their opinions to the idea that Jews were bad, and had to be disposed of.Like the Killing unborn babies/abortion example, or if we label It a terrorist I've brought up.
Quote:Is this a terrifying concept? No. Why? For one simple reason: Because we learn. Humanity has been persecuting less and less as we continue intellectual pursuits.:Roflol: We only "learn" to label and market our persecution differently.
Instead of slave we have the term migrant worker or 'outsourced factory worker' Instead of concentration camp we have a refugee camp, instead of Killing babies we have a woman's right to choose, Instead of religious genocide, we have the war on terror or all we need do is label someone a radical Islamist, and that person looses his humanity. None of these acts 'slavery, forcing people into concentration camps, religious persecution, infanticide, dehumanization of a sect of society were unique to Nazi Germany. As I pointed out they are all very alive and well in our modern western society now. you've only been trained to look at them differently, and to compartmentalize your morality to very specific/extreme examples before you will acknowledge a specific violation.
Bottom line it's the same good olde persecution we always put upon others, just simply under a different name so people like you can feel learn-ed and evolved.
Which if you bothered to read my argument, some if not all of these things given the right circumstance can be justifiable, even needed at times, but my question to you all what returns you to center? what stops the religious persecution if it is renamed a war on terror, what stops infanticide if it is relabeled a woman's right to choose? what stops "the Nazis" in all of us when we no other society can tell us to stop when all absolutes have been removed? Education/Learning??? :Roflol:
What have you learned, except how to fool yourself into thinking you are better than previous generations?
Quote: Even in the short time I've been alive, this country has shifted it's opinion on Gay Marriage. Look at how not that long ago segregation of blacks and whites had ample support. Yet today, the only time we separate whites is with our washing machines. Humans are nothing if not creatures of learning. We learn from our history so that we do not repeat the mistakes of our past. That isn't a faith in god, but a faith in humanity. We've come so far from being apes who were just starting to learn to use tools. We've taken that learning process to it's logical conclusion. We learn, and that's why it's not terrifying.Again you misunderstand. The 'immoral' acts are not the terrifying part. it is the pulling the wool over our own eyes to the truths of sustained 'immoralities' like modern slavery/outsourcing, Infanticide/Abortion, Hospice/euthanasia when these sustainable wicked deeds are justified, and presented to people like you as moral deeds, and you simply accept them or anything done under acceptable titles.
It is only in the presents of absolutes that we can measure or see how far we have come or gone. remove the absolutes and everything become acceptable/relative.