(February 4, 2016 at 2:04 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote:(February 4, 2016 at 1:53 pm)Drich Wrote: The above statement is a strawman and a complete evade of what i just said. do you want to address what I said or segway into this somehow? what about a concession.. Because your current response does not address what I've said here or have been saying in any way shape or form.
It is in no way a stawman. I have highlighted a stance you have expressed in many, many threads to underline how many people this supposedly transcendent morality eludes. Atheists and theists alike.
From your perspective you have the "perfect" morality at your finger tips. Your interpretation is the correct one and it eludes almost everyone else.
How do you explain this morality not being so apparent to your fellow theists? Is that all self-righteousness too? Brave choice of words by the way.
I understand that line of reasoning might potentially lead to some unsettling questions and I apologize for any discomfort you may feel... but do not accuse me of evasion when I am directly addressing the issue and do not cry "strawman" when I cite views you have expressed in the past.
Its obvious, desperate and embarrassing for everyone. I have little patience for it.
Do you really need me to hold your hand through what I have said sport? I have been accused of making this to simple, of having too simple of an explanation or take on my world view or even my theology, i often do not point out that the reason I have to do this is for people like you. People who have been 'winning' atheist arguments so long they think they can breeze through all of hem with their typical off the shelf fair. Even as simple as my wording is this all seem either way too complex a topic for you to grasp or you aren't even bother reading the threads you so desperately want to be made a fool in.
It's real simple, as per the study I did in the book of Romans and as i have pointed out several times in this thread already... Every single Jesus Christ centered Religion is 'right' and wrong in what it believes at the same time. How does my 'stance' incorporate conflicting views?
As I have pointed out several times now, that in Romans Paul teaches in this freedom we find in atonement, we have the freedom to bind ourselves in the law any way we like, or we have the freedom to live completely part from it.
Jesus Himself also supports this idea in this statement: "Whatever you bind on Earth will be bound in Heaven and whatever you loose on earth will also be loosed in Heaven." Paul said "What ever you think a sin, (Even if it is not) for you it is a sin. Even though the Law may have freed us from it.
This means if you want to be a Methodist, and and yourselves with Methodist rule then by obtaining the atonement offered one is free to do so, and CAN be found righteous by Christ. Just like a Catholic or a Baptist, or any non denominational people... What will really blow your mind (if you can see all of this from where you will be standing) will be those who 'the church' would identify as 'non Christian' will also be counted among the saved! How can this be? Real simple. It's not what we do that makes us Christian. It what Christ did. Meaning Christ and Christ alone gets to decide who is and is not Christian. He has already told us many who think they are Christian are not, and we have 2/3's of our bible gives us examples of people who aren't that will indeed be there and ahead of anyone in the gentile church.
So tell me again about who should be embarrassed or who should be feeling 'discomfort' for his failure of basic comprehension, not only of the topic but of the term strawman and it's correct usage.
Just one more question ralphie.. Do you like apples?
