RE: Morality versus afterlife
February 8, 2016 at 11:00 am
(This post was last modified: February 8, 2016 at 11:23 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(February 3, 2016 at 4:08 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: Utilitarianism is logically inconsistent. Utilitarianism determines the moral truth value of a given action based solely upon whether or not the action maximizes well-being, and well-being is ultimately subject to an individual's opinions and preferences. Therefore the foundation or origin of morality within the utilitarian framework is subjective. The foundation of utilitarian morality is at it's essence one single moral rule: Do what maximizes well-being. Any action concurring with this rule is moral, and any action contradicting the rule is immoral. Functioning within utilitarianism however, requires applying the moral rule universally and thus subjecting every individual to it. Therein lies the inconsistency. If something is applied universally it is no longer subject to an individual's feelings or opinions and is therefore no longer subjective. This is a category mistake. Because utilitarianism derives it's moral truth values subjectively but functions objectively it makes a category mistake. Therefore, because utilitarianism is logically inconsistent it should be rejected as an explanation of the ontology of morality.Moral utilitarianism will not become what you wish for it to be no matter how many times you pitch this straw. Moral utilitarianism, like all moral systems (including your own) have strengths and weaknesses. Thy all have problems. You, however, have consistently failed to identify those problems in -any- case...either the problems of a competing moral system, or the problems of your own. For all the world, you appear to be completely incapable of engaging in a discussion regarding this subject by any means other than constant reassertion of your religious beliefs and an unwavering refusal to accept those corrections others give you regarding their own positions, or even those things that 2 minutes spent with google would iron out for you.
Quote:So what about God? Isn't He a person?No?
Quote: Isn't His asserted morality subjective in that His morality is derived from His personal feelings or opinions?Technically it's derived from your feelings and opinions, but let's run with it.....
Quote:If God is a person and He determines morality then isn't morality subjective after all?It would be, if god were a person, but he isn't. In the absence of that we have only you, a person, -purporting- to inform us of the morality of a god.
Quote:Is the Christian moral framework logically inconsistent as well?Not on those grounds, nope. The logical inconsistencies of a christian moral framework have nothing to do with it;s claimed objectivity. Rational people don't factor fairy tales into their assessments of competing moral systems.
Quote:These are common objections that demand an answer. In Christianity, the moral truth value of a given action is determined not by God's personal feelings or opinions but by His inherent nature. This is why Christians can consistently claim that morality is objective. Morality is determined as an extension or expression of God's eternal nature, it is not determined by His personal feelings or opinions. Therefore it is by definition objective. From our perspective, it is also objective in that it is determined outside of mankind's personal feelings, tastes, or opinions and is therefore universally applicable to us.Christians can claim alot of things. We know that you claim things, but let me suggest that this bag is already filled to the brim and really wouldn't stand to profit from yet another addition. Where you have trouble, is demonstration.......
Quote:Between utilitarianism, autonomy, and Christianity, only Christianity can provide a logically consistent framework of morality, and thus a reasonable ontology of morality......case in point. Big claim, no demonstration thereof. You wasted alot of words to play out your own internal arguments, I think. -Any- moral systems can be made to be logically consistent. It's a simple matter of definition. You and I both would take a look at many those shitty systems, and their shitty definitions...and say "I'll pass". You desperately wish for there to be a need for your religious horseshit..some place to plug it into your life. Some place where there's simply no alternative. There isn't.
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