RE: Still struggling.
February 14, 2016 at 8:35 am
(This post was last modified: February 14, 2016 at 8:38 am by robvalue.)
Indeed yes. I can take any given theist, except maybe a straight-down-the-line deist, and I can probably find logical problems with their belief system. I can find contradictions and inconsistencies.
But they don't care. Or rather, they will tell me they are not contradictions or inconsistencies. The human mind is remarkably good at being able to believe two contradictory things at once, and when they are about a subject that isn't real, they can never be tested and therefor shown to be false. This makes it even easier.
I mean, I can believe anything I want about my imaginary pet dragon. He's 5 feet tall, but also 10 feet tall. The fact that he's imaginary means normal rules don't apply to him, and he can be both. If he was to actually appear in reality though, clearly he can only be one or the other.
God never appears, nor does he ever do anything. Yet people continue to see what they want to see, attribute agency and spot patterns that aren't there. The placebo effect, confirmation bias and wishful thinking. I'm pretty sure some theists don't even believe what they say, due to the language they use. I've heard some people say "I choose to believe that..." Well, if you choose to believe it, you don't believe it. Belief is not a choice. You can choose to want to believe it, and to tell people you believe it, of course.
But they don't care. Or rather, they will tell me they are not contradictions or inconsistencies. The human mind is remarkably good at being able to believe two contradictory things at once, and when they are about a subject that isn't real, they can never be tested and therefor shown to be false. This makes it even easier.
I mean, I can believe anything I want about my imaginary pet dragon. He's 5 feet tall, but also 10 feet tall. The fact that he's imaginary means normal rules don't apply to him, and he can be both. If he was to actually appear in reality though, clearly he can only be one or the other.
God never appears, nor does he ever do anything. Yet people continue to see what they want to see, attribute agency and spot patterns that aren't there. The placebo effect, confirmation bias and wishful thinking. I'm pretty sure some theists don't even believe what they say, due to the language they use. I've heard some people say "I choose to believe that..." Well, if you choose to believe it, you don't believe it. Belief is not a choice. You can choose to want to believe it, and to tell people you believe it, of course.
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