(February 16, 2016 at 10:52 am)KevinM1 Wrote:I agree that is why I said slavery is morally neutral, and why I hold the position not all slavery is 'bad.' that it is how one treats a slave that makes slavery immoral.(February 15, 2016 at 6:13 pm)Drich Wrote: You don't get it because you don't ever hang around to discuss the final point.
Once we identify slavery in modern life the question then becomes is it needed? Can life go one in the world where the slave works, and can it go on in the world buying slave made products???
the answer is no.
Don't you think that if we had an economic structure that did not COMPLETELY depend on slavery we would have at least tried it in one of the countries of the world one time since the dawn of civilization???
This is why you don't understand. You blank out of the conversation, 1/2 way through and come back in after the final conclusion is made missing the correlating argument.
If you want to say all slavery is bad fine. All slavery is bad. Now figure out how to feed 5 billion people without the economic structure and support slavery provides.
That is my point sport! WE DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING ELSE!!!
Necessity does not imply morality one way or another.
Quote: Moreover, the necessity of slavery hasn't been proven, either.A simple frank examination of world history proves that slavery is the key element that pulled man out of the hunter gather era and started us towards civilization.
Quote: Indeed, we seem to be ever so slowly moving away from such practices (abject slavery -> feudalism -> pure wage slavery) due to a conflux of our ideas about working, workers' rights, and how we view the Other changing and technology advancing.No we are not. that is my point. The only thing that has changed is how we define slavery. It's not slavery anymore. It migrant worker, outsourced factory worker etc.. The job and pay remains the same, and our new definition even allows for little to no regulations allowing the exploitation of these workers because we are not willing to own our part in slavery.
Quote:Finally, I actually have a life and responsibilities outside of this forum. I'm not beholden to reply to you.then do not complain that you don't understand. Go back and catch yourself up and ask questions about what you have missed. If you are not 'beholden' to me what makes you think I am 'beholden' to you?