pop morality

[Jenny A]

@Dritch

Your premise, god equals righteousness fails initially on two counts:  no one can demonstrate there is a god;

If we could then he would no longer be God... However God has provided a path that if anyone were to follow would indeed Find Him.

and no one can agree about what god is.

I can promise you we (all bible believeing people Jew and Christian alike) agree on what God is.
God is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and end to all Things.

 But your argument in this thread makes nothing of those objections.

because they are quite easily dismissed.

 Because what you are saying is god equals righteousness

No where did i say that?
Again God is Alpha and Omega. Righteousness is whatever God wants it to be.

and god's law is contained in the Bible.

Well, even a broken clock is right twice a day.

 Well sorry, but the moral trash contained in the Bible is the best reason for dismissing old Yahweh I know of.That "god" is the most immoral, discriminating, arbitrary, genocidal, slavery loving, cruel, sexist, baby killing (born and unborn), sadistic a beast as I can imagine. He makes Hitler look like a piker.

...And that is the point to this thread is it not? That if 'morality' is left unchecked it will spiral away from God's righteousness. Meaning IF morality becomes the standard then everything not like it can be condemned as evil.

Do you not understand the implication here? The implication being that ANYTHING even EVIL can be come 'good' and 'good' will be seen as Evil.

Just like the bible warns.

Again that was the reason I pointed to the nazis. None of them saw what they did as being evil. "pop Morality" in that soceity said it was 'moral' to send jews to death camps!!! None of them saw what they were doing as evil.

then like wise I have used several examples the modern soceity does that 'morality' deems God as evil allowing them in the bible, and yet modern soceity embraces these instances.

That, if nothing else shows him to be an invention of the people writing him.  

how so?

Human morality, and it is a human concept, though some birds and mammals show similar inclinations, is an imperfect thing.  Very imperfect, so imperfect that some men wrote the Bible based on it's then current precepts.  But it's better than the god of the OT, who, as described by you is the ultimate justification for all moral imperfection.  You use him to justify as necessary:  rape, slavery, genocide.   What more need be said? You can keep him, but don't follow him too far, because there's an electric chair at the end of that path.  And it won't be for believing but for bloody fucking murderous actions.

this is a good example of what I just said.

You said soceity has evolved away from: Rape, slavery and Genocide.

Again, I contend that all of these things are still present and accepted in today's society. They are just called something different now. So that older examples (Examples that do not comply with the modern defination/loop holes) can be condemned. Therefore allowing the self righteous to condemn God.

So human morality is imperfect.

It's beyond imperfect. It is hypocritical.

 What should we do?

do not tie our self worth to our 'morality.' Use morality as a guideline, but at the same time do not let other control you by making you adhear to current pop moral standards..

Say, ah well god will forgive us? Or worse yet try to carry out Christian law?

I can not believe how you still do not understand the basics of Christianity. That you still have no clue as to how it works..
"God's law' is NOT Meant to be followed. It is not a system of 'morality.'

Do You Understand this?

God's law is only set up to show we are all sinners and need atonement.

That is the alternative to 'morality.' Freedom from doing right or wrong things!!!

 No, we should do the best we can in an imperfect world.  You say, the posters here are not morally perfect, and that the world is not morally perfect?  Tell us something new.  But, I doubt you'll find a single poster here as immoral as the god of the OT.  

Because you have changed 'morality' to exclude God.

Don't you understand that is what self righteousness means?

That you based on what you think is right and wrong have created your own version of righteousness. That in essence is the very definition of 'morality.'

What's more this self righteousness is not better.. It does not exclude the acts you pretend to judge God 'immoral' by.. it simply changes the definitions. it hides your sin. You all still commit genocide, slavery, and kill babies. You just have different names. War on terror/terrorists, migrant workers, abortion. Again the act is the same, it's just 'morality' justifies your deeds. That is what makes 'moral people' hypocrites.'

People learn.  Slowly, three steps forward, two steps back.  And we have greater ability to do harm than we did what with increased weaponry.  But we also have better communication, and greater resources.  I understand that people living on the edge of extinction are likely to be less "nice" than people with largess to share.  But we have that largess.  There's no reason to follow the rules of a people living on the edge beset at all sides by bigger stronger nations waiting to take what little they had away.

How do you not understand that the sense of you being more evolved is only an illusion? YOU STILL DO THE SAME THINGS WE HAVE ALWAYS DONE! It's just called by different names.

The illusion is god. Your view is entirely based on his existence. Until you show he exists, your point of view is fantasy.