(February 29, 2016 at 3:29 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:(February 29, 2016 at 3:09 pm)Drich Wrote: In the parable it self Jesus said "Remove the plank from your own eye first, so that you may see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."
If you have a plank in your eye how can you then see the speck?
The parable is nothing more than an analogy. What doesn't hold in the literal argument doesn't hold in an analogue, unless the analogy is a false one. Which in this case it is. Moral judgement isn't like vision in that it is not impaired by hypocrisy. You may question the moral standing of the hypocrite, but that does not make his judgements false. Only the falsity of the moral judgements makes them false. You claim that relative morality has no standing in which to judge. It has all the standing it needs as the only type of morality which exists. Your God does not exist, so "His" morality is nonexistent. You can't do better than the only kind of morality which exists. If you disagree, the burden is on you to show that another kind of morality exists.
You are still arguing as is the burden to define 'morality' is mine or God's. Again It isn't. I do not claim nor assign morality to a given actions. I have said many times in this thread that our action have no intrinsic value to them "They are morally neutral." Your position says the opposite. That all acts have an intrinsic moral value. (that Killing some one is always wrong, that slavery is always wrong, that Rape is always wrong. etc) Therefore it is you who has to quantify the 'moral value' of a given act. Not me nor God.
That is why i have shown you the hypocrisy in pop morality. To claim "Slavery is always wrong" then set a standard of living that makes the whole world dependent on "slavery" (by another name of course) means the 'moral standard' you use to judge slavery as being wrong is at best incomplete, if not intentionally hypocritical. How then can society be "good" if it depends on slavery? If society is Good in it's practices of slavery then how can God be judged 'bad' for his endorsement of the very same practice?? At the very least those who use 'pop morality' to define right and wrong can not use that standard to judge others for doing the same acts they themselves do, but only by other name. Unless again they are hypocrites. If that's the case and you embrace the hypocrisy pop culture affords you, then their is nothing more i have to say.
Again I am not defending God's morality here, because "Morality" is not the standard in which God determines sin. That is why you need to first "remove the plank from your own eye" before you can rightfully judge another.