RE: Morality versus afterlife
March 1, 2016 at 5:02 am
(This post was last modified: March 1, 2016 at 5:14 am by robvalue.)
Hi RR, thanks for your reply. I'm sorry you've been sick, I hope you feel better.
I thought a video reply would make a more interesting and digestible response. Clearly in your case, I misjudged so I apologize. I wonder if anyone else has any feedback about whether my video was useful or just plain inferior to a text response? I'm genuinely interested. If it's bad, I want to know. If I could alter the format, any feedback is welcome.
I can't make a lot of sense of what you're saying. You seem to agree that morality is a judgement call, agree everyone makes different judgement calls, but then start calling it all objective. That doesn't seem in any way accurate or useful. If you didn't properly take in what my video said, then I don't really feel like repeating it all in text version.
I just can't understand your arguments I'm afraid. I don't know what you're driving at, or why. The idea that we behave "as if" there's an objective morality is blatantly false. Even if we agreed on a principle like "improve wellbeing", then how we apply that principle is entirely subjective. Wellbeing is not a simple, well-defined concept. We all decide what we think is best, and we don't agree. I wildly disagree with several things that society as a whole finds acceptable. Overlap, also, is not uniformity. Overlap is easily explained by evolution. Basically, you're agreeing with what I say about morality, and then calling it something else. To what end, I don't know.
If morality is not what individuals feel, then I don't know what you think it is or how it can apply independent of a particular observer. Objectly measuring outcomes can be done. Objectively interpreting those outcomes, without any agreed criteria or viewpoint, cannot be done. I notice you are still leaving God out of all this. Would you care to bring him in? Or do you agree with me that he is irrelevant to morality, even if he exists?
Here are my videos for reference, if anyone wants to give feedback. I enjoy doing them and I'd like to improve! I won't be offended by constructive criticism. You can read along to what I'm responding to from RR on pages 14 onwards of this thread.
http://youtu.be/bjcjWr23EW0
http://youtu.be/-41jGxs1nCE
I thought a video reply would make a more interesting and digestible response. Clearly in your case, I misjudged so I apologize. I wonder if anyone else has any feedback about whether my video was useful or just plain inferior to a text response? I'm genuinely interested. If it's bad, I want to know. If I could alter the format, any feedback is welcome.
I can't make a lot of sense of what you're saying. You seem to agree that morality is a judgement call, agree everyone makes different judgement calls, but then start calling it all objective. That doesn't seem in any way accurate or useful. If you didn't properly take in what my video said, then I don't really feel like repeating it all in text version.
I just can't understand your arguments I'm afraid. I don't know what you're driving at, or why. The idea that we behave "as if" there's an objective morality is blatantly false. Even if we agreed on a principle like "improve wellbeing", then how we apply that principle is entirely subjective. Wellbeing is not a simple, well-defined concept. We all decide what we think is best, and we don't agree. I wildly disagree with several things that society as a whole finds acceptable. Overlap, also, is not uniformity. Overlap is easily explained by evolution. Basically, you're agreeing with what I say about morality, and then calling it something else. To what end, I don't know.
If morality is not what individuals feel, then I don't know what you think it is or how it can apply independent of a particular observer. Objectly measuring outcomes can be done. Objectively interpreting those outcomes, without any agreed criteria or viewpoint, cannot be done. I notice you are still leaving God out of all this. Would you care to bring him in? Or do you agree with me that he is irrelevant to morality, even if he exists?
Here are my videos for reference, if anyone wants to give feedback. I enjoy doing them and I'd like to improve! I won't be offended by constructive criticism. You can read along to what I'm responding to from RR on pages 14 onwards of this thread.
http://youtu.be/bjcjWr23EW0
http://youtu.be/-41jGxs1nCE
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