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The Christian God Does Violate Human Free Will
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RE: The Christian God Does Violate Human Free Will
(March 4, 2016 at 10:01 am)ChadWooters Wrote:
(February 28, 2016 at 2:21 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: Another case of theists deliberately misunderstanding a clear point.

I did not start this thread to discuss whether I believe in free will.  The thread is a refutation of the Christian claim that god allowed evil into the world out of respect for human free will. The bible itself is its own refutation. All I'm doing is pointing out what it says.

You are doing no such thing. Yes, God hardened Pharaoh's heart, but long before then Pharaoh had a history of repeated injustice. Those prior actions were the offences. God hardening Pharoah's heart is not the only example. As foretold by Jesus, Peter denied Him three times. So in some sense, Peter did not truly have free will with respect to those three times. But that does not negate all the other moments throughout his life when Peter was not compelled by overwhelming fear and professed His love and obedience to our Lord. Freely. People are only judged according to the decisions they actually make and not for things that are forced on them.
Since god had the power to harden Pharaoh's heart to make him disobey, then he also had the power to soften pharaoh's heart so that he never would have committed those earlier offences. You cannot have a god with full power and full knowledge yet no responsibility for the choices he knowingly makes. Your defense of this is nothing more than the Stockholm syndrome.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.

I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.

Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire

Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.
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RE: The Christian God Does Violate Human Free Will - by IATIA - February 26, 2016 at 8:48 pm
RE: The Christian God Does Violate Human Free Will - by IATIA - February 27, 2016 at 3:53 pm
RE: The Christian God Does Violate Human Free Will - by Cecelia - February 27, 2016 at 12:52 am
RE: The Christian God Does Violate Human Free Will - by abaris - February 27, 2016 at 10:15 am
RE: The Christian God Does Violate Human Free Will - by Drich - February 27, 2016 at 11:30 am
RE: The Christian God Does Violate Human Free Will - by Drich - February 27, 2016 at 12:15 pm
RE: The Christian God Does Violate Human Free Will - by IATIA - February 27, 2016 at 10:03 pm
RE: The Christian God Does Violate Human Free Will - by Drich - February 29, 2016 at 10:33 am
RE: The Christian God Does Violate Human Free Will - by Drich - February 29, 2016 at 10:41 am
RE: The Christian God Does Violate Human Free Will - by Rhondazvous - March 5, 2016 at 6:25 pm
RE: The Christian God Does Violate Human Free Will - by Drich - February 29, 2016 at 10:32 am
RE: The Christian God Does Violate Human Free Will - by Drich - February 29, 2016 at 10:44 am
RE: The Christian God Does Violate Human Free Will - by Drich - February 29, 2016 at 1:31 pm
RE: The Christian God Does Violate Human Free Will - by Drich - February 29, 2016 at 2:29 pm
RE: The Christian God Does Violate Human Free Will - by Drich - February 29, 2016 at 5:48 pm

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