pop morality

[TheRocketSurgeon]

Oh glob..

I thought you were one of the 'smart ones.' You can seriously be reading my posts and still retain such a large content diffency unless you are just scanning for keywords to build a strawman/what you think I am trying to argue from just a quick skim read.

So let me explain my first paragraph which is what in post  652 that renders your whole last post and the one before it completely moot.

Please take time to read this again:
Ah!! There in lies the problem. You think I am suggesting we exchange one set of principles for another.

I'm not. Nothing could be further from the truth.

What I am saying is we need an unchanging standard, so that we can always Identify sin/Know wrong, so then we always have the option to repent of it, and find redemption. What self righteousness does, is lower the bar so rather than push one to repentance.. we look to justify sin rather than turn from it.

Strict adherence is not the key. repentance is, we can't/won't ever repent if we feel justified in sin. If we learn to repent we will also learn to find the freedom from the 'strict adherence of the law' that "moral people" have to have inorder to maintain their 'morality.' This 'strict adherence that bind moral people to the law (and subsequently why they tend to be constantly changing the law to fit their sinful appetites) is the total opposite of what Christ offers. Christ is offering righteousness Despite one's sins not because of our perceived 'righteousness.'

You last two posts just like all the posts of Thena Are under the assumption that I am trying to push Christian 'morals' over pop morality/empathy based morals.

Understand 'smart guy' I'm not. As you pointed out All morals are corrupt, unchecked 'christian morals' are what incited the Dark ages, witch burnings, the inquisition, whatever you said about 'fags.' All the 'bad stuff' is a direct result of taking 1/2 of what God has done and then trying to make it fit a 'moral' standard of living.

What I am saying is all 'morality' is bad, no matter who sponcers it or how it is founded. because all 'morality' is based on a righteousness (in this case a gold standard of good) other than God's. God's standard of righteousness can be found in his completed law. All of the Law of the OT, along with the extension of the law Jesus himself added to include thought. Which is Impossible for any of us to follow. Which is why God provided atonement. atonement allows us grace from the sins we being slaves to sin can not help but to commit. The only catch being we have to repent, before we can accept atonement that gives us grace/freedom from the law.

However we can not repent if our 'morality' says it is ok to commit certain sins. That is the only reason we need God's standard. so we know when to repent/turn from our sin. It is not meant for us to try and live by to define our 'morality/worthiness' for heaven. God's law is only to show our sin. So again we can repent of it and be free from trying to live a 'moral' life. meaning a life defined by our actions.

So you see while you are busy trying to define who you are by how you live your life/what deed your 'morality' tells you to do or not do. A Christian's 'righteousness' is found completely separate and apart from the things he does or does not do. My 'righteousness' is defined by the life Christ lived, not the one I live. for I put on his 'morality/righteousness' and die to my own when I accepted the atonement He offered me.. That means I am free from the laws of man and God as a means to define my own righteousness.

So again you whole argument is moot as I am not trying to replace one morality with another as you seem to think. I am trying to free you from following any version of morality to define who you are before God.

1) There is no such thing as "God's Morality", only people who claim to be in touch with the Almighty Creator of the Universe, in astonishing (and mutually exclusive) displays of hubris... including using "smart" in quotations because you consider that insulting.

2) I'm not asking you to exchange anything for anything. We're all here pointing out to you that there's no difference, despite your delusions to the contrary, between what you call God's Morality and that invented by humans. You just won't listen, or else you dodge.

3) We don't "justify sin"; we justify all behaviors, or we don't do them... that's the entire basis of ethical behavior. We simply don't consider it to BE a sin if Vishnu says I can't eat beef but I still like hamburgers. But in your astounding arrogance, you act as if only one god is making (imaginary) demands of the human species, via His/Her Human Spokespersons.

4) Since, in your mind, "My Deity is the Only Deity™", you get to pretend to yourself that we're just in defiance of YOUR deity, when the truth is you're in just as much defiance to the sins-list of every other god out there. But you don't care, right? Because you know they don't really exist. Well, Vishnu and Jehovah are exactly as real as each other-- and their lists of sins are exactly as much a consideration in my daily activities. That is to say, of course, zero.

5) The concept of what YHWH wants of His People has changed radically over the centuries, even according to the Wholly Babble you worship... from slavery to the "place" of women, very few denominations follow the original (Kudos to Fred Phelps and crew of the Westboro Baptist Church, as they seem to be the only Christians out there Keeping It Real™ with respect to what the Bible commands-- sure, everyone else thinks they're barbaric scumbags, even their fellow Christians, but hey) version of What God Wants™, and the excising of numerous bits of Levitical law and Hebrew religious culture when the Christians took over was even more radical. It's as human-made, human-interpreted, and human-culture-altered as anything else on the planet, and you're either delusional or willfully blind if you can't look around and see that.

Or do you truly think YOU are the only one who Truly Understands™ the Word and Will of God?

As for vicarious blood atonement, I'm as disgusted by you barbarians who think that kind of magic is a real thing as I am by the Santaria chicken-slaughterers. Seriously, it blows me away that you can simultaneously be that barbaric and consider yourselves to have divine insight-- if there is a God(dess), I have little doubt (s)he would be more angry with you and your ilk than with infidels like us.