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We know that both the higgs boson and black holes exist.

Ah.. no. Not even close. They are both still theories. Google it. Black holes Eg: a Gravity well/What sci-fi depicts has this massive whirlpool in space sucking in everything including light, have never been witnessed, probed or even identified. All we have are long ranges pictures of unexplained darkness where we think their should be light. therefore we created 'blackholes.' then someone does that math and it is possible (on paper if 1/2 a dozen other unverified theories hold.) Then we begin to build on them and before long people like you insist on believing in them when in reality their is only as much poof of a black hole, as their is of God. For you, you have closed the gap between verifiable proof of a black hole, and just trusting that 'science' is right with the same exact faith we have in God.

What you have done there is to "not know how to science". Black holes explain the data and the physics that say what they are has been proved time and again. 

Here is a video of a black hole devouring a star.

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The data that was needed to prove with the higgs boson was discovered.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/how-the-higgs-boson-was-found-4723520/?no-ist

Either way the claim you made that 'science is only about things we can document and verify' is so far off the mark it is not even funny. In the case of black holes I'd be almost willing to bet the farm that you nor I will ever come close to seeing the 'scientific proof' of a black hole. Yet here you are can't distinguish the difference between scientific theory, Science fiction and reality.

Black holes have been proved to exist, now can I have your farm?

Science is the opposite of what you think it is, science is looking at the facts in as dispassionate away as possible, removing all preconceptions.

Then explain the hadron supercolider?
Scientists didn't start out building this multi billion dollar pig in a poke, they started out with several smaller versions, all looking for the illusive 'higgs/boson' or the 'god partical.'
Problem is all the info they collected said it did not exist, which was reinterpreted to say "our equipment is not sensitive enough to record the partical decay." So what did dispassionate science who only looks for facts do? It petitioned several different goverments as well as private and corperate sources to provide funding for the multi billion euro pig in a poke 'supercolider.'

You want me to explain why scientists want more sensitive equipment! really this is a thing I have to explain to you! Can't you work it out for yourself? I mean think about it real hard, you can do it. I'll wait for you to catch up.

So what did they find after 3 or 4 years of running this POS?

They got some very good results from tests. reached the end opf what they could do with that technology then got a better one. This isn't hard stuff to figure out D.

The Same exact thing they found with the smaller particle colliers. They just dressed it us as 'new info' but if you actually read/are aware of what they already have, it is more of the same.

Because you are a qualified particle physicist who can evaluate complex data of the sort you are rubbishing, no then STFU.

If you don't think Money is not the Primary driving force in science they you are obscenely naive, and deserve to live under a government who funds studies for 'science' to provide you with the catalyst needed for Government to rule over every single aspect of your life.

Money may be the driver in some of science Laboritoire garnier I'm looking at you but there is a lot of science for science sake as well and good science done well is what our whole society is based on.

'Science' may have started out as you say, but those days are long, long over.

You are wrong.

What you were thinking about is religion, where people have tried to prove their pet idea that there is a god for millennia, failed and decided  that because it can't be found it must be "outside of science". The answer should have been to throw out the idea.

Open your eyes sport this same measure of Control people used "god" as the supreme authority and control has already been replaced by your god 'science.'
'Science' is the new religion. Look at how it is used to manipulate the things we eat, the products we buy or the products we stay away from. Governments use it to try and even tell us the sky is falling, and the only way to free ourselves from is is to pay a 'Carbon tax.'

You have traded one mind controlling religion for another.[/quote]

Science is not about what is believed but what can be proved and that is a vital difference that makes it infinitely superior to the mind retarding nature of religion.[/quote]