(March 21, 2016 at 2:45 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:OMG (glob) Your not serious are you?? You can't be seriously saying that the above Mike rowe narrated/animated sci-fi 'what if' story is evidence of a black hole???(March 21, 2016 at 2:22 pm)Drich Wrote: Ah.. no. Not even close. They are both still theories. Google it. Black holes Eg: a Gravity well/What sci-fi depicts has this massive whirlpool in space sucking in everything including light, have never been witnessed, probed or even identified. All we have are long ranges pictures of unexplained darkness where we think their should be light. therefore we created 'blackholes.' then someone does that math and it is possible (on paper if 1/2 a dozen other unverified theories hold.) Then we begin to build on them and before long people like you insist on believing in them when in reality their is only as much poof of a black hole, as their is of God. For you, you have closed the gap between verifiable proof of a black hole, and just trusting that 'science' is right with the same exact faith we have in God.
What you have done there is to "not know how to science". Black holes explain the data and the physics that say what they are has been proved time and again.
Here is a video of a black hole devouring a star.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0Q3yk7K...RqqMrhtF_Q
Please tell me your joking, because if you think any of what was said is based in observable fact, then I am truly waisting my time here with you.
Black holes are theories ONLY:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole
in 2014 Hawkins came up with a new theory:
http://www.space.com/24454-stephen-hawki...heory.html (which completely contradicts the video btw)
here are two other competing theories to the type of black hole found in your video:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonsingula...ole_models
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravastar
So tell me again how "we have observed a black hole consuming a star..." Because I have just provided you 4 separate and conflicting theories on what black holes really are. Again, Stupid people can not separate Science from science fiction, they look right past the Gap between Science science fiction and bridge the lack of observable, verifiable evidence With FAITH!!! This is what you've done here. You can not tell the difference between science fiction and real science because to you through your misplaced faith in all things titled 'science' they are one in the same.
Your brain has been washed to believe with out question in your religion and god of science. You are no different than those in the church who blindly followed their idea of God into doing all sorts of evil. Every negitive/sheep aspect their is in the church, you have just displayed in your blind faith concerning science.
Do people like you really think this 'blind faith in science' is not being exploited by the government and big business?
If you tied your moral foundations to science and science can be controlled, then your very thought can also be controlled.
Quote:The data that was needed to prove with the higgs boson was discovered.
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http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/how-the-higgs-boson-was-found-4723520/?no-ist
Again no.
They found the 'con-trails' not the actual aircraft..Which again was present in the original partial accelerator data.
Here is a Higgs for dummies explaination:
http://www.sparknotes.com/mindhut/2013/1...or-dummies
Their was Soooo Much pressure from those who spent the billions to build the accelerator @ cern the scientist caved and redressed up the pig they already had (the same evidence they used to get the Accelerator built in the first places) as proof positive of the Higgs. And again people's faith in science bridges the gap.
The truth is we still have not observed the particle. Yet 'science' is selling the Fiction that we have and people like you just gobble up whatever they say with out question.
Quote:Either way the claim you made that 'science is only about things we can document and verify' is so far off the mark it is not even funny. In the case of black holes I'd be almost willing to bet the farm that you nor I will ever come close to seeing the 'scientific proof' of a black hole. Yet here you are can't distinguish the difference between scientific theory, Science fiction and reality.
Quote:Black holes have been proved to exist, now can I have your farm?Sure, just provide the demonstrable proof. Again, there is more tangable proof of God Almighty than their is of a black hole, but you are so wrapped up in not questioning your 'faith.' I doubt you will ever leave your delusion, even though you can not produce any proof.
Quote:You want me to explain why scientists want more sensitive equipment! really this is a thing I have to explain to you! Can't you work it out for yourself? I mean think about it real hard, you can do it. I'll wait for you to catch up.Look at how elementry I am willing to go to try and explain what I think should be common sense. If I am willing to do this for you then please, maybe you see something I don't.
Quote:They got some very good results from tests. reached the end of what they could do with that technology then got a better one. This isn't hard stuff to figure out D.Ah.. no. They got the same result. They built a bigger colider because they thought they could exponentially cause and record more particle collisions thus increasing the liklyhood of witnessing the higgs boson. When infact after 3 or 4 years they just got more of the same.
Quote:Because you are a qualified particle physicist who can evaluate complex data of the sort you are rubbishing, no then STFU.That's always the 'dig' with the god of science isn't it? It's the equlivant of "God works in mysterious ways" in the church. Meaning when ever someone questions the great God of science someone like you (defending the faith) tries to top shelf the discussion (put it out of reach of the non experts.) Here's the problem with that dark age approach ofputting 'the common man' in his place... It's call google. Now granted Cern can indeed flood the first 1/2 dozen pages of a google search with their planted headlines, but If you know what to look for and continue to dig, the truth (as written by particle physicists) can also be found.
Quote:Money may be the driver in some of science Laboritoire garnier I'm looking at you but there is a lot of science for science sake as well and good science done well is what our whole society is based on.Name me one field of 'science' that does not require millions if not trillions to research and support?
Do you think any organization is giving away millions for the pure advancement of science no strings attached? If so you are more than a fool. Science, all science is advanced by the money driving it. its an industry like any other with the same pit falls and weakness every other big industry is subject to. People/scientists are bought and paid for all the time. Science is the new art of control. You go to school, they pick you up from the alter of God (where their is little to no control due to all the different version of Christianity) and force you to now kneel at the alter of science where the dollar controls everything.
Quote:'Science' may have started out as you say, but those days are long, long over.
Quote:You are wrong.Again show me a field of science that does not require billions to stay aloft.
Or explain how the billions are generated without any terms and or conditions on 'discovery.'
Quote: Science is not about what is believed but what can be proved and that is a vital difference that makes it infinitely superior to the mind retarding nature of religion.
Like black holes and 'god particles.'