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You see what you've done there is not actually understand what Stephen Hawking said. He said that things could escape from the "black hole" over time not that the thing itself did not exist. What he means is the idea that things cannot escape the event horizon is not true but the THING ITSELF IS THERE. all the science supports it so. So black hole real but not as black as thought.
http://www.nature.com/news/stephen-hawki...es-1.14583

I swear it feels like I'm trying to talk to a room full of monkeys sometimes... Or trying to play connect the dots with people who don't know how to count, don't know what dots are, and dont have anything to connect them with.

When I challenged your understanding, your sci fi understanding of a black hole/Gravity Well, I am challenging the model that is based off of Einstein's theory of relativity. In that a black hole is a depression in time and space that even light can not escape. a Gravity well. Hawkings theory says it is not a gravity well.

Now if black holes exist as Einstein's theory supports then Hawking is wrong. If Hawking's theory is correct then Einstein theory is wrong... That is what we grown folk call a contradiction, or a conflicting theory. both can not be right. which means the existence of a black hole down to it's very nature of how it works is truly unknown.
It's all just theory to explain why we have x-ray and gamma ray spikes when we scan the night sky.

Now heres the thing, no one is except you thinks that black holes don't exist they are just not as black as thought. This is not a reason to throw the baby out with the bath water it just means the theory needs to be fiddled with. I'm ok with that. Science is not dogmatic like religions are.

Did you know we can not even directly observe a black hole in space.

Yes its because they are black. You can however see the accretion fields and all sorts of other evidence for them in all sorts of spectrums and radio waves.

 All the pictures you see all the CG is just what we think is going on. That's because we have no gravity sensing telescopes., and we don't have any telescopes powerful enough that see deep enough into space to capture the visible light of a black hole nor the x-ray or gamma rays a black holes is supposed to emmit.

Heres a video (not CGI) of the black hole at the centre of our galaxy devouring a gas cloud which was directly observed by multiple telescopes.




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That's why according to the old standard model nothing could ever escape a black hole. while Hawking says the opposite, that given enough time an object could. which blows EVERYTHING You were not even smart enough to know about black holes out of the water.

The black hole is still there, just not as dark as thought. This is not a hard concept why aren't you getting it?

Now if you didn't get frustrated and just skip over everything I just said, and you actually read and understood all of it, you would see what a very very thin line the whole black hole nonsense balances on. If I took all the excuses on why we can not observe a working black hole, and apply that to God, you clowns would loose your mind having a field day poking holes in our faith.

I understand your idiotic ranting just fine. The thing is the thing called black holes are still there, one of their attributes is a little off to what was previously thought. But this does not compare to the complete not appearance of a god or indeed any supernatural entity. Stop trying to drag us down to your level.

That sport, is what I am doing to you.

No it isn't.

I'm not doubting that black holes exist, I am not calling into question either Einstein nor Hawking's theories, I am simply pointing out all of that faith you and your buddies have in a system that habitually can not provide 'proof' on a cornerstone event like a black hole or the Higgs/Boson.

But they have, you've been told they have, shown the evidence and the theories that support them. Religion has nothing comparable just a bunch of old stories that have all turned out to be lies.

You said Science isn't used to support fantasy.. Yes the propaganda around it says that very thing, but in practice it DOES THAT VERY THING! (Science FICTION Is still fantasy) And further more it takes MORE faith to believe in some of the crap science comes up with than it does to believe in God.

All it takes to convince me that a scientific theory is wrong is evidence that is sufficiently strong enough, what would change your mind about god?

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No that's how religion works, it tries to confirm what it looks for science tries to disprove things. What else could have done this thing?

AND that is how Science works like it or not. The two examples I provided underscore this fact.[/quote]

Jesus titty fucking Christ science is the anti thesis of religion and works in the exact opposite way. Belief is not required for science it can and is checked, religion is just something you believe without proof.
 


And this was where I got bored.