pop morality

[athrock]

Sure we do. Science has simply reclassified them as something else. According to the bible All of creation is 'data' on God. Science (which again can be manipulated) says the opposite is true. Yet never explains why. Why must God and science be an either or?

After all if God did indeed create the known universe, then would He has not put in place all the different 'things' we are receiving data from?

Science has done nothing of the sort. Science has no position on God or gods or goddesses or any other magical (supernatural) thing, because it deals only with what is demonstrable in the natural world. 

We certainly understand your position, which is that if God is the Creator of the Universe™, then it follows that everything is "data on God". The problem with that position is that we have no actual data to show that God is the cause of any of it, only a bunch of philosophical arguments which suggest that such is the case... and just as many which say the opposite.

Really?  

Your dismissive attitude toward the philosophical arguments leads me to believe that you simply don't appreciate the force of their collective weight.

What she means is that we have no hard evidence that demonstrates any "magical" cause, and we no longer have a reason to think there is such a thing, except for those who belong to religions which state such things in their scriptures. Science is methodologically looking for the natural causes of things, and using that method to demonstrate why such-and-such happens. Humans like to attribute anything they can't understand to "the gods". Once, we thought that Thor caused the sound of thunder... now, we know that it's air being rapidly superheated by the pulsing of electron flow to and from the gound, and causing a reverberating shock wave.

And hooray for science...doing what it can within the limited sphere in which it can say anything at all.   Thank God that it does for the betterment of us all.

But as you say, science is "looking for the natural [emphasis mine] causes of things" because it is unavoidably BLIND to their supernatural causes.

Did you hear me? Science is BLIND when it comes to the supernatural causes of things. Consequently, it can say nothing of value there.

As Xenophanes put it, "Men create gods in their own image. [...] If cattle and horses, or lions, had hands, or were able to draw with their feet and produce the works which men do, horses would draw the forms of gods like horses, and cattle like cattle, and they would make the gods' bodies the same shape as their own."

Indeed. Zeus is very much like a superhuman, isn't he? And this is undoubtedly because he was created in the image of the men who worshiped him.

The God of Christianity is nothing like that, Rocket, and if you think otherwise, then your "God" is too small.