(April 8, 2016 at 4:50 pm)Esquilax Wrote:(April 8, 2016 at 3:21 pm)Rekeisha Wrote: This is again an oversimplification of the facts and a misunderstand of what the bible says.
So how is what he's saying wrong? You dismiss it out of hand as an oversimplification, but you do nothing to actually explain why that is, which is a problem because first of all, you've offered no justification for your assertion and second, you've provided Redbeard no opportunity to correct his views if, indeed, he's wrong in them. I feel like you could be doing better, both for yourself and for others, if you added a little more effort to your responses beyond simplistic "nuh uh!"s.
Quote:Since you deem the bible full of lies then I assume you don't ascribe to the golden rule in the bible instead you ascribe to a "golden rule" that predates the bible. So, I will assume that it is a golden rule that says don't do to others as you would have them do to you. Like the one Confucius said. If you ascribe to one that tells people to do onto others then please state it because I am unaware of it.
The golden rule predates the bible, as you seem to acknowledge, but weirdly, you don't actually seem to know what the formulation of it was before Jesus "said" it. Have you even read Confucius' version? "Never impose on others what you would not choose for yourself." It's literally the same sentiment, just presented in a passive voice: why would you then lie and say that Confucius' version was "don't do to others as you would have them do to you."?
I didn't explain further (when talking to RedBeard) because we have been writing back and forth for a while, but you are right, and I will dive in deeper since you pointed it out.
God is the creator of all human kind and He is the source of all physical and spiritual life. If He wants to end a life he can and does. Not just that but He is not like us He is totally different and knows everything and is good. His decisions may seem incorrect to us (again He is Higher and Greater than us, His creations), but they are correct. He possess all knowledge, He knows what is right and what should take place, whenever it needs to take place. It is a mercy and grace that He doesn't just condemn up for our sin but give us opportunities to repent and believe in Him.
As for Egypt He gave them warnings and chances to repent but they didn't and even when he sent plagues He didn't completely destroy them. God had a plan for the Israelites and Egyptians to display His glory. What He did in Egypt helped build the faith of the Israelites, and subdue those who would have loved to kill them as they traveled to Canna. He also made it so that Egypt wouldn't have the ability to get them back. He completely severed any social ties the Israelites had with Egypt at the time.
As for Sodom and Gomorrah, He allowed Abraham to intercede, seek mercy, for them. God was willing to save the two towns if there were at least 10 righteous people but there weren't any. The are account in Genesis speaks of the people wanting to gang-rape the angels, who they thought were men. Even when they were struck blind they were more concerned about getting to these "men" instead of their physical state. There was a serious social decay in this society and they were a cancer to this area. God knew what the result of a society this corrupt could do it it continued to exist; so he destroyed it. Though Lot was accounted to be "most righteous", yet because of the intercession of Abraham, God chose to make a way for Lot's whole family. The Angel had to physically remove Lot's family chose. Lot's wife was leaving but at the end she desired the sickness of Sodom and Gomorrah more than the salvation that God was providing.
Satan was in the presence of God since his own creation and so were the angles that don't get to be saved. He saw the purity and holiness of God he was a witness to more truth about God then we are. Yet, he was more interested in rejecting God's goodness for his own glory. He was so full of pride he attempted to overthrow God and got other angels to join in. God isn't going to save him he is going to throw Him in Hell and remove his evil from the world.
The fig tree is a tree. Still, it is also a symbol for those who pretend to follow God, but they are just hypocrites. They like to look godly instead of being godly. They are liers and Jesus was using the fig tree as an illustration on what he will do to all those who are trying to play the game. God isn't fooled.
I don't think I explained what I meant by "don't and do's" very well, sorry. The Confucius version is saying avoid doing things you don't want done to you were as the Judaiouchistian vision is say do what you want done for you. One is "passive" while the latter is "active".
Say my husband leaves dishes for me to clean, am I to: dwell on how I don't like to be treated, therefore cleaning the dishes in anger? or am I to think about wanting to be helped and therefore see how I can help my husband, yes by cleaning the dishes out of love. Is that clearer?
