(April 16, 2016 at 11:15 am)Drich Wrote:(April 11, 2016 at 5:28 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: Leviticus 21:16-24 lists flat noses right up there with blindness, the scurvy, and other disabilities that disqualify people from serving in the temple.
Even though at the time, I was no longer a Christian, I was broken hearted to read 2 Samuel 5:8 where king David goes so far as to put a price on the head of the blind and lame, claiming that he hates them to his soul. This is not spiritual blindness he is talking about because Jesus told the Jews that if they were spiritually blind they would have no sin (Matthew 27:46). That's weird that even though I no longer believed in god, it still hurt to know how much he hates me when all my life I've been told that he loves me. When I tried to talk to some Christians about this, they jumped on me with both feet.
Poor poor pitiful you.
You don't seem to get, that this list only Spoke to the levitates (those born in the family of Levi) Meaning one had to have been born of a priestly bloodline even before anything on this list was a consideration. (Meaning God didn't want you serving him as an OT Jew 10xs over before this list even applies)
Being a levite would most likely have manifested itself in certain physical traits, being only a few hundred years removed from levi. In the time of Moses having a 'flat nose' meant you had too much egyptian in your bloodline even if you were born a jew. Which was fine for everyother aspect of OT Jewish life, but apparently God did not want the 'flat nosed people' near the temple gold(or really anything else holy.)
Um, bullshit. Utter bullshit. It was a set of rules to the Levites, yes, but it regarded who was entitled to enter the Temple.
Your little Pulled Out of the Ass™ explanation doesn't cover why the same list would include flat noses AND people with hunchbacks and other deformities or handicaps. The simpler explanation is that the Levite priests who wrote the rules thought that just as animals without blemish could be used in sacrifice, that similar purity was expected in the physical form of the worshipers. Or maybe they just didn't want to have to deal with the sight of them.
But to focus on just the nose thing, pull an "Egyptians Unwelcome" explanation out of thin air, and ignore the rest of her list while calling her pitiful is... well, pitiful.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
