(May 23, 2016 at 11:18 am)robvalue Wrote: Ugh, die for a lie again. How many times can that corpse be dug up?
People can lie and yet state factually true things. They can also intend to tell the truth and state factually incorrect things. Lying is not relevant. Beliefs are not facts.
Here's the problem your statement is never going to be able to address..
"Facts" in this context are recorded beliefs. All Historical "facts" are recorded beliefs. Now couple that with what the actual argument I posted is saying:
Those 'recording the Facts' of Christ Death burial and subsequent resurrection were Tested/Vetted when the men who recorded them were martyred rather than recant what they had been preaching.
Now if that weren't enough, you also have the 1000's if not 10's of thousands of believers/witness of Christ who made up the church who were also martyred because they would not recant what they experienced or witnessed.
Let's say for a moment that you personally followed Christ for the 3 and 1/2 years He was performing miricals and personally interacted with Him, and every doubt fear and question you ever had was answered. Now place yourself at the end of a roman sword demanding that you recant what you witnessed.
Do you die a witness for Christ and what you experience or do you save yourself and recant?
Which is why, your argument fails. Because no matter what you do (honor the truth or lie and save yourself) Belief/your belief dictate facts when you give your historical account with your time with Jesus.
If you believe in Christ you would not be able to 'save yourself.' If you did not believe in the 3 years you spent walking and talking with God, your story would reflect it, dictating the 'facts' of your experience.
The things is... No one who did spend that time with Christ ever recanted their testimony.