(May 23, 2016 at 1:43 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:Why? Is it because I am simply reading what is on page and stopping with what is on page. Not filtering it first through the traditional church view?(May 23, 2016 at 12:09 pm)Drich Wrote: That's the thing though.. My evidence (experiences) do indeed support what is claimed by scripture. (and then some.) Yet, it is discounted or rather most of your personally decide to discount the evidence provided. Some call me a liar, other tell me I am suffering from confirmation bias, Others say I'm crazy.
Your interpretation of Genesis 2 is enough to land you firmly in crackpot territory.
(May 23, 2016 at 12:09 pm)Drich Wrote: Now again, you ask would my 'experiences' act or is supposed to act as evidence for anyone else? a 1000 times no. My experiences were for me and me alone. They were only meant to for me to use to establish and maintian my system of belief. But, again here's the thing. God offers this same process to everyone who needs it.
Quote:And yet you parade your 'experiences' before us as evidence that A/S/K works. So this is a lie, you do use it as evidence.evidence for ME! Then I also tell you God offers this sort of experience tailor made for you!
Meaning your experience will be just as powerful, if not more, but tailored to you!
Quote: You don't know what God does or does not offer to others.Yes I do. He offers the Holy Spirit as outlined in Luke 11. Meaning GOD directly interacts with you via the Gifts and 'spiritual fruit' outlined by Paul. Which clearly include everything I mentioned and a whole lot more
Quote:You have a belief based on some passages in a book and your own experience. So don't say you don't use your experiences as evidence because you absolutely do.FOR ME YES, I ALSO SAY GOD WILL DO THE SAME FOR YOU, BUT ON YOUR OWN SCALE!!!
(May 23, 2016 at 12:09 pm)Drich Wrote: I have pointed to the account of doubting Thomas many times in this thread to support the idea that God offers individual attention to those who require it if they just A/S/K for it. Thomas did not get to witness Jesus as the other 10 did, as a result he said he would not believe till he touched the wounds of Christ so He could know for Himself. So what does God do? Does He tell Thomas his faith is not strong enough? No the only thing Required of Thomas was to be in that upper room. And Jesus let Thomas experience what He needed to establish and maintain a system of belief that lead to a horrible death on His behalf, as Thomas knew Christ was really God, and all that He said was true.
Quote:You can read the mind of Jesus? It's just a story, and now we have your interpretation to add to the thousands that have come before.It is Just A story confirmed by thousand of years of followers personal testimony. Even the Apostle Paul Given the Exact Experience He needed (like Thomas) to establish and maintain a life long faith, and even stared down 5 40 lash -1 beatings, imprisonments and even died a martyrs death. And it all happened to me as well. so.. yeah just a story, that's confirmed millions of times over the last couple thousand years.
Quote:You don't know why Jesus offered Thomas physical proof.YOU Don't know what Jesus Offered Thomas Proof. I do. He offered because he needed it. Again we/I can know this because this 'proof' is repeated through out the History of the Church. It is even solidified in the Out pouring of the Holy Spirit. At the end of Jesus' Ministry He says 'He must go so the Father could send the Holy Spirit to be poured out, that He was only one man and could only reach one person at a time but the Holy Spirit could touch everyone at once. This is What I am saying we all have access to 24/7 via A/S/K
Quote: Maybe it didn't happen and was just a story told so that the author could put an admonishment against not having faith into Jesus' mouth. You don't know any more than I do.Or maybe it did, and millions of people over thousands of years including myself have personally tapped into What God offers us all here.
Quote:Sure, and when the promise is shown to be empty, you'll be there to blame the disappointed. You're a true Christian.I honestly do not know one person who A/S/K the God of the bible (not some Idol they themselves spun up) and was disappointed. So there's that.