(May 24, 2016 at 2:45 am)Maelstrom Wrote: I feel that I need to break this down a bit, for the theists.
The theist states, "We have died for that in which we believe" (Proper grammar is obviously provided by the atheist)
First and foremost, what the theist believes cannot be evidenced as truth in any way.
It is due to the fact that the theist relies on faith.
Faith is not evidence, except in the warped mind of the theist. That is why they are theists. That is why they ignore logic.
At this point is should be evident that belief itself is not evidence of anything unless it can be supported by something stronger than faith.
We are told in the NT that our faith can and will become knowledge of God, so you see we have a knowledge unknown to you, a greater knowledge.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.