Can't prove the supernatural God

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I appreciate the thorough commentary Thank you, I'm glad you liked my video! If you're interested, I have an index of my best ones, serious and otherwise, here.

I agree that we can conclude that an entity has acted in a way that is not at all consistent with our current models and understanding. This leaves two possibilities:

1) Our current models and understanding of this entity, reality itself and the "rules" of reality (including how anything external to our reality may be interacting) are incomplete

Or

2) Rules/natures are being "broken"

I don't see how you can ever eliminate possibility one. We make models... you talked about boundaries? Sure. We can set limits on what our modelled slug is able to do. But we never have any guarantees that our model is correct. Only that it is accurate enough, for the behaviour we have observed so far.

My case is that to positively conclude that something supernatural is going on, nature is being violated or rules are being broken, is to claim to have dismissed option 1 beyond all reasonable doubt. I'm not trying to say supernatural things are impossible, or haven't happened, I'm only addressing claims people make that supernatural things have happened. I believe this is always an argument from ignorance (pardon the pun) because it is concluding knowledge about what we don't know.

If people just say unexpained, I'm totally fine with that. It's when they make actual claims that I object. We can compare what happens to what we know; but why would new data ever be categorised as "supernatural" when "unexplained" works just fine? If you don't make such claims yourself, then I obviously have no issue with you! Many people do, on this very forum, on a daily basis. They also strawman me by claiming that I state "supernatural things can't happen", when I've never said such a thing. All I've said is that I think it's impossible to identify them, if they have happened, under whatever definition of supernatural is being used.

You say we often call things unexplained. Can you give an example of an exception, that you'd call not merely unexplained but supernatural?