(June 1, 2016 at 1:06 pm)drfuzzy Wrote:I'm going to try again since you did not seem to read the last post I made or you did not understand the implications of what I said.(June 1, 2016 at 11:44 am)Drich Wrote: Oh, my glob...
"From the point of the final judgement..." That was a condition or qualifier I used to validate my statement. If you understood this point your whole post should have been about What or rather WHEN is your final judgement?
Again. the word 'saved' here is the scriptural context points to a future event. Meaning If you can read this, your opportunity for salvation has not occurred yet. Read Romans 10:9 again (really any passage about salvation) "Thou Shalt BE Saved." Or You Will Be Saved) Not You are saved.
Do you see it yet? Salvation does not happen upon confession. Salvation happens upon final judgement. As in You will literally be saved from the flames of Hell At your judgement! Not your actions or acceptance of some mantra, cermony or chant saves you at the point you say it or get pushed under water. Rather your salvation will happen at a future date. It is to that Salvation that one can NEVER loose his salvation from.
Again this is another example of how you failed in your understanding of God. Appearently your version of God saves you when you say a little chant or go through some ritual, and it was your understanding that from that some believed no one could loose their salvation. Where you failed was in your understanding of biblical salvation itself. Salvation does not happen in this life it happens in the next one. At least according to scripture/The God of the bible.
So my question is, if you do not understand the basics of salvation how then do you see yourself in a position to correct anyone? Why not ask a question if you are unsure, rather than persume to teach from a religion you yourself has verified as being empty of a deity it claims to worship?
Yep, here ya go. In funditard rules, "whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come." is absolutely literal, from the mouth of Jeebus himself, until you don't want it to be. Then you can explain it anyway you want. Its quite mind-boggling, how all of these preachers disagree with what Jesus meant, and they all trash the other preachers who don't agree with their ideas about what Jesus meant. It's too bad Jesus doesn't exist to clear up all this mess.
Well, if your little incompetent imaginary monster's "judgment" ever happens, I'll just have to cuss out Caspar again.
What you don't understand is this: Salvation is not something we do. It is not some thing we say nor is it a ceremony. Meaning we are not saved in this life by anything we can do, meaning we can not ever rightfully claim the title 'saved.' That is an award Jesus alone can give. That means any and everything we do in this life is being judged against the fact of whether or not we have atonement for out sins. Which will be determined in the next life.
Meaning,
IF your not saved till your final judgement then one can say once saved always saved, AND STILL say those who blaspheme the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven.
How??? The honest atheist asks? (who is reading what I have written) Simple : Once saved means Once you've been accepted into Heaven (AFTER YOUR FINAL JUDGEMENT) You can't do something that either can't be forgiven or you can't do something unforgivable.
which in of it self Means,
IF You can now blaspheme the Holy Spirit, you are not in a state of salvation (You have not been 'saved' yet.)
Do you get it now?
Salvation when ever identified by the bible ALWAYS points forward to a future time. The only time where salvation or being saved becomes a 'past tense' event is in the future, after the resurrection and final judgement in Revelation.
Which means, No one to this point in Human History has been 'saved' yet, and it can still mean that Those who are to be saved can never loose their salvation. Up to that point, we only claim to be followers of Christ. We can only accept the gift of atonement. It does not mean we can live in this life and rightfully claim the title 'saved.'