RE: Can't prove the supernatural God
June 2, 2016 at 1:01 pm
(This post was last modified: June 2, 2016 at 1:05 pm by Neo-Scholastic.)
(June 2, 2016 at 6:30 am)Constable Dorfl Wrote: The problem with the appeal to the supernatural for believers is that it essentially an admission that they have no explanation and no evidence. It is an admission that they are holding a value to be truthful despite the evidence.
Atheists are in a similar boat and one that is far leakier. The physical universe has particular features such as four fundamental forces and a handful of constants. Do the specific properties of the physical universe require an explanation? Is it reasonable to ask why the speed of light is ‘c’ or why there are only four forces, not more or less? Every time I ask the question, I get the same answer - the universe really could not possibly be different than it is and these are just brute facts. And before you cry multiverse, remember that you've only pushed the question back. If there are laws governing the spawning of new universes, won't those laws also require an explanation? Or are those just brute facts too.
You see. Saying that some things do not require an explanation is fine, but only when those things must be as they are by necessity and could be no other way. The universe does not seem to fall into that category. The mere fact that the universe is expanding shows that it does not have to be just as it is. It is already is changing into something else, i.e. bigger. So if it can get bigger why can't the constants change or new fundamental forces appear? Oh yeah, that's right...brute facts.