(June 7, 2016 at 11:02 pm)Godschild Wrote: Jehanne
Quote:Question for yah, GC, "What happens to an infant child who dies without sacramental Baptism, that is, water baptism using the Trinitarian formula -- 'I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son....'?"
That infant goes to God to live eternally with Him. Baptism doesn't get you into heaven, the thief on the cross is proof of that, Jesus told him,"today you will be in paradise with me."
Yet another contradiction between Mark, where both thieves mock Jesus, and Luke, where only one does.
Who knows, who cares?! Saint Augustine taught that the thief on the cross in Luke's Gospel was, in fact, baptized sacramentally, albeit, from a distance.
Historically speaking, however, GC, your beliefs about infant baptism are rather novel, because every Church, whether Catholic, Orthodox or Coptic practiced such from the 2nd century on and no theologian until the time of Calvin ever disputed the practice of infant Baptism.
(June 7, 2016 at 11:02 pm)Godschild Wrote:(June 7, 2016 at 10:33 pm)Jehanne Wrote: I do, and I don't that they are authentic; they were written by various anonymous authors at the end of the 1st century on into the beginning of the 2nd century, who contradicted each other in the faith that they were trying to pass on. They went through several layers of redaction and modification before settling down sometime in the 3rd and 4th century into what, eventually, became the accepted New Testament. And, even then, the so-called doctrines and dogmas continued to evolve into the tens of thousands of different sects that we see today.
Wrong, wrong and more wrong. The writers were not even trying to write the NT, they were trying to advise the people in the new churches, the NT was later put together, all the writers of the letters that are now the NT were dead before the 2nd century so no letters in the NT can have come from the writers. Those letter are not contradictory, they all teach the same thing, faith in Christ the Son of God, born of a virgin, died for our sins and raised from the dead is the only way to heavenly life. There was no redaction and possibly only one addition and that is not in contradiction to any thing in the NT. The Catholic Church has distorted the NT along with the Jehovah Witness Church, to make it fit to their beliefs. Yes there are differences in interpretation of some of the NT and most of that has nothing to do with how to become and live as a Christian.
One wonders how you know this, GC, because your views are contrary to every single historian who has ever lived over the last 2 centuries. Have you ever heard of the Councils of Nicaea? How do you think that the early Church decided, among the 130 or so "inpsired" writings of the early Christian church, as to which ones to include in the Canon and which to exclude? Now, you think, presumably, that the Gospels were written by eyewitnesses, and yet the Gospels themselves make it clear that the disciples of Jesus were peasants from Palestine, which means that they were illiterate and spoke Aramaic, not Greek. And, so GC, who wrote the Gospels?