RE: Someone stole the body!
June 9, 2016 at 2:30 am
(This post was last modified: June 9, 2016 at 2:32 am by Godscreated.)
(June 8, 2016 at 4:55 pm)Jehanne Wrote:(June 7, 2016 at 11:02 pm)Godschild Wrote: Jehanne
That infant goes to God to live eternally with Him. Baptism doesn't get you into heaven, the thief on the cross is proof of that, Jesus told him,"today you will be in paradise with me."
Yet another contradiction between Mark, where both thieves mock Jesus, and Luke, where only one does.
Who knows, who cares?! Saint Augustine taught that the thief on the cross in Luke's Gospel was, in fact, baptized sacramentally, albeit, from a distance.
Historically speaking, however, GC, your beliefs about infant baptism are rather novel, because every Church, whether Catholic, Orthodox or Coptic practiced such from the 2nd century on and no theologian until the time of Calvin ever disputed the practice of infant Baptism.
What they practiced is not found in the scriptures anywhere, so they are wrong, simply wrong. Just like the Jews who said a person had to be circumcised to be a Christian, there is no biblical support for that either. These and other things practiced by different denominations are what they want Christianity to be, they are not true because they have no biblical supported. This is one reason we have so many denominations. What makes you think that the one thief that rebuffed the other didn't at first mock Jesus, do you know that the Holy Spirit didn't convict his heart and reveal to him the truth of Jesus. Can you think of a better witness to Christ than one on the cross.
(June 7, 2016 at 11:02 pm)Godschild Wrote:
Jehanne Wrote:One wonders how you know this, GC, because your views are contrary to every single historian who has ever lived over the last 2 centuries. Have you ever heard of the Councils of Nicaea? How do you think that the early Church decided, among the 130 or so "inpsired" writings of the early Christian church, as to which ones to include in the Canon and which to exclude? Now, you think, presumably, that the Gospels were written by eyewitnesses, and yet the Gospels themselves make it clear that the disciples of Jesus were peasants from Palestine, which means that they were illiterate and spoke Aramaic, not Greek. And, so GC, who wrote the Gospels?
By the time of the Councils of Nicaea the writers of the letters that make up the NT were long dead. The writers had no idea that a council would be convened about anything. These men were interested in teaching Christians in the proper way to be Christians and giving a written witness as to how to become a Christian. If they had of desired to write a book they would have gotten together and done so.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.