(June 15, 2016 at 9:40 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:(June 15, 2016 at 9:22 pm)Godschild Wrote: Here the atheist go again assuming they can do something like go back in time. That's one reason I find most unreliable in what they say, they want to pretend instead of dealing with the facts, this pretending stuff sounds most illogical. Those who answered they would do something are just spouting off like their something, you would have coward at the knees of the Romans like everyone else except Jesus. He accepted the Father's plan and carried it to the very end and beginning.
GC
Okay. So there is no time travel involved.
You are there, and you have a chance to successfully stop Jesus from being horribly tortured. Would you?
It's a f'n thought experiment.
Are you that unable to imagine the scenario?
I can imagine the scenario, it's just that whatever I answered wouldn't change what happened. God the Father would not have allowed it, this was his ultimate will that no one could change, his love for us is omnipotent. Jesus himself couldn't have stopped it because He is God and like minded with the Father and Holy Spirit and thus followed the will of the Father willfully. Like I said no one here would have attempted to stop it either, the Romans would have seen to that, there was a great crowd of Jews stirred up that would have taken anyone to the side who tried to stop it and convince them to try it would not be good for them. So you see why I believe the question to be just silly. I've heard Christians answer this very question in Bible discussions and they all said they wouldn't have stopped it because they wouldn't have the salvation Jesus desired for all who would accept it.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.