RE: Christians, would you have saved Jesus, if you had he chance?
June 16, 2016 at 10:07 am
(This post was last modified: June 16, 2016 at 10:10 am by Veritas_Vincit.)
(June 16, 2016 at 8:27 am)Thomas Kelly252525 Wrote:(June 16, 2016 at 7:16 am)Veritas_Vincit Wrote: --I don't believe that 'absolute truth' exists, and the burden of proof would be on the person asserting that it does to demonstrate that it does. I believe we can have degrees of certainty based on evidence and logic. Human beings are inherently fallible, hence the need for science.--
How long have humans been testing reality ? You may want to be careful, I do test people with words sometimes to learn more about them, somethings are not always as they appear. We may agree goodwill is profitable in tests. It appears we agree that evidence and logic are useful things, another word, wisdom.
--If you are saying that there is a way to test and prove the existence of God, I look forward to reading about it on the front page of every newspaper and scientific journal in the world.--
I hope you don't want to be arrogant not that it's a large inconvenience to me if a person is. We may agree there may be times to leave the arrogant ones alone.
Have you ever looked in the Clementine Homilies, Chapter XX - Some Parts of the Old Testament Written to Try Us. ?
Thoughts about that of false things about God deliberately with malice put in The Bible.
Veritas Vincit, you may look at my answers above.
Hi Thomas,
I don't mean to sound arrogant, so let me explain that I have studied the arguments for the existence of God, as well as the Bible itself. I have seen hundreds of debates and discussions. Every apologetic argument I have every heard has been debunked, and I am happy to back that up if there are any you think still stand?
I am also of the opinion that standard apologetic arguments are rarely the real reason people hold on to their religious convictions and I would welcome your opinion on my recent post where I explain what I mean by this: http://atheistforums.org/thread-43581.html
I am not familiar with Clementine Homilies, but having read the Bible I can say that it is full of evil and immoral preachments that can't just be rationalised away. Jesus said that "not one jot or tittle of the law can change until all has come to pass" and "He who does not uphold the law shall be considered least in the kingdom of heaven" - so all the old testament stuff sticks. And the the old testament is so full of barbarism that I can hardly think where to start, for example, God directly instructing genocide, child sacrifice and slavery for which I can give you chapter and verse, and wiping out most of the world's population in a flood, killing all the firstborn of Egypt... the God of the Bible puts Hitler and Saddam Hussein to shame.
