Do Christians worship a suicide victim?

[madog]

4)  I am not trying to interpret text as it didn't come from the alleged messenger .... you keep trying to make me go forward in time and work back .... [4]

5) I don't deny fishermen wrote stories, set decades after the main character died, that propelled them into scriptures as apostles, all that tells me is they made themselves pretty important with their claims of being the disciples of the son of God. Yes that would further their own ends ... [5]

6) Very few theists or atheists agree on anything so nothing new there .... [6]

4) This isn't an interpretation? "Laying down his own life purposefully is suicide ..."

5) Great. Now, if you care to intelligently discuss those made up stories (as you said you wanted to do HERE: "I can discuss someones fictional message without believing in the credibility of the message ... stop being silly"; and began to do in the OP), understanding the fictional world the authors created will be a great help in doing that. Agreed?

4) yes I'll give you that .... I am interpreting a story that came through text in the bible ....

5) I believe I have been doing that? In the world they created the "God" character had the power to achieve his objectives without sacrificing his son (himself) .....

It is very hard to have an intelligent discussion when the story is so ridiculous. It is made harder because there are so many interpretations of the story from cherry picking and interpretations by those with their own agenda .... 

So what is so intelligible about me choosing the bits that suit my conclusion or is that reserved for all those Christians from all the thousands of denominations that choose the bits that suit their conclusions?

The story: bits and pieces as to include all the interpretations would take a book as big as the bible ....

The Jesus character they created was also the God character that was sacrificing himself, so arguably it was murder if the God caused the death .....  or suicide if the Jesus purposefully allowed his own death ....

Note I didn't write the story where a father set up events that would kill his son who was in fact himself, and a son who willingly went along with events that would lead to his own death when in fact it was the death of his father ....

But according to the story neither the father or the son died .....  so not a sacrifice. what did they give up?

My suicide claim is based on the fact that the Jesus character went along with events that he knew would lead to his own death according to the story tellers .... 

Simply put, jumping in front of a train is still suicide even though the train killed you ... The fact the person believed his/her children would be better off if he/she was dead doesn't mean it isn't suicide even if they are correct about their children ....