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The problem with prayer.
RE: The problem with prayer.
(July 25, 2016 at 12:40 pm)Stimbo Wrote: We don't know enough about any initial conditions of the Universe to conclude that a quantum vacuum at that point isn't nothing

That’s a silly statement. In this context, nothing means the absence of all existence as such. In contrast to this, the quantum vacuum is nothing in relationship to what does exist, kinda like holes.

(July 25, 2016 at 12:40 pm)Stimbo Wrote: You're the one proposing these laws came from a god - make your case.
I proposed no such thing. I showed that physical laws are not brute facts.

(July 25, 2016 at 11:02 am)ChadWooters Wrote: If there are absolutes, primitives, and/or fundamentals, then at some point those who wonder must accept some things as brute facts. The issue at hand is this: has the chain of explanations gone as deeply as possible? The Principle of Sufficient Reason only applies until it doesn’t. As a general rule, atheists stop too early and send boys to do the tasks of men. They take some things as brute facts, like quantum vacuum, even though those things do not satisfy the criteria for fundamentals.

(July 25, 2016 at 12:40 pm)Stimbo Wrote: And superintelligent beings with literally zero external evidence for their very existence do? [satisfy the criteria for a fundamental]


I’ve heard the ‘zero evidence’ bromide so many times I put the evidence in my signature. But in answer to your question, yes, the God of Classical Theism adequately satisfies the criteria of a fundamental: fully in act, efficacious, necessary, non-contingent, simple, etc.
(July 25, 2016 at 12:40 pm)Stimbo Wrote:
(July 25, 2016 at 11:02 am)ChadWooters Wrote: I’m not sure exactly what you mean by ‘that conclusion’. What conclusion? Anyway, we have strayed far from the OP topic of prayer.
The conclusion that reality existed before time began.


Scripture says nothing about whether reality existed before time. Genesis begins with the Hebrew letter Bet not Aleph. Some interpret that to mean that even Genesis has a back story. Even still, it stands to reason that regardless of whether or not time extends into the infinite past, reality must at the very least be logically prior to time.
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The problem with prayer. - by Gawdzilla - July 20, 2016 at 9:52 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by mediocrates - July 20, 2016 at 10:06 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by PETE_ROSE - July 20, 2016 at 10:07 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by ApeNotKillApe - July 20, 2016 at 10:13 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 20, 2016 at 10:38 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Whateverist - July 25, 2016 at 10:56 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by FatAndFaithless - July 20, 2016 at 10:09 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Gawdzilla - July 20, 2016 at 10:34 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by PETE_ROSE - July 20, 2016 at 10:40 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 20, 2016 at 10:42 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by PETE_ROSE - July 20, 2016 at 10:59 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by brewer - July 20, 2016 at 1:58 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Spirian - July 20, 2016 at 2:39 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Simon Moon - July 20, 2016 at 2:50 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by brewer - July 20, 2016 at 3:48 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Spirian - July 20, 2016 at 4:12 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by chimp3 - August 1, 2016 at 10:20 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 20, 2016 at 11:01 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by PETE_ROSE - July 20, 2016 at 11:06 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by PETE_ROSE - July 20, 2016 at 11:02 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 20, 2016 at 11:03 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by PETE_ROSE - July 20, 2016 at 11:07 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 20, 2016 at 11:09 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 20, 2016 at 11:12 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 20, 2016 at 11:08 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by PETE_ROSE - July 20, 2016 at 11:09 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 20, 2016 at 11:11 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by PETE_ROSE - July 20, 2016 at 11:26 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 20, 2016 at 11:36 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 20, 2016 at 11:51 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Neo-Scholastic - July 20, 2016 at 1:09 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Angrboda - July 20, 2016 at 1:49 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Minimalist - July 20, 2016 at 11:55 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Gawdzilla - July 20, 2016 at 12:49 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Neo-Scholastic - July 20, 2016 at 12:57 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Minimalist - July 20, 2016 at 2:14 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Gawdzilla - July 21, 2016 at 7:08 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 20, 2016 at 1:16 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Neo-Scholastic - July 21, 2016 at 12:33 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 20, 2016 at 1:21 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by PETE_ROSE - July 20, 2016 at 1:34 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Simon Moon - July 20, 2016 at 2:41 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by CapnAwesome - July 20, 2016 at 1:44 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Spirian - July 20, 2016 at 1:48 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 20, 2016 at 2:14 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Minimalist - July 20, 2016 at 2:18 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by PETE_ROSE - July 20, 2016 at 3:31 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Simon Moon - July 20, 2016 at 3:53 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Viking - July 20, 2016 at 4:46 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Grand Nudger - July 20, 2016 at 4:55 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 21, 2016 at 6:34 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by ignoramus - July 21, 2016 at 6:40 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by chimp3 - July 21, 2016 at 6:54 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 21, 2016 at 1:04 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 21, 2016 at 1:44 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 23, 2016 at 3:45 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 23, 2016 at 8:00 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 24, 2016 at 4:20 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 25, 2016 at 10:40 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 26, 2016 at 3:28 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 26, 2016 at 4:10 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 27, 2016 at 2:52 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Grandizer - July 26, 2016 at 7:20 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 27, 2016 at 3:44 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Grandizer - July 27, 2016 at 8:22 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 29, 2016 at 2:30 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Minimalist - July 27, 2016 at 1:43 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 29, 2016 at 2:25 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 29, 2016 at 6:13 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 30, 2016 at 3:58 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 30, 2016 at 9:23 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - August 4, 2016 at 2:46 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Minimalist - July 29, 2016 at 5:43 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Gemini - July 29, 2016 at 6:20 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 30, 2016 at 3:56 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 30, 2016 at 3:55 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 26, 2016 at 1:06 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 27, 2016 at 3:41 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 27, 2016 at 6:28 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 29, 2016 at 2:35 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Minimalist - July 26, 2016 at 6:28 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Spirian - July 21, 2016 at 1:58 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 21, 2016 at 2:16 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Grand Nudger - July 21, 2016 at 3:00 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by brewer - July 21, 2016 at 7:56 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 23, 2016 at 3:47 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 23, 2016 at 8:01 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by ignoramus - July 23, 2016 at 8:03 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 24, 2016 at 7:56 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Neo-Scholastic - July 24, 2016 at 3:32 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Silver - July 24, 2016 at 5:05 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Grand Nudger - July 24, 2016 at 3:41 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 24, 2016 at 3:46 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Esquilax - July 24, 2016 at 5:03 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 24, 2016 at 3:45 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Neo-Scholastic - July 25, 2016 at 8:17 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 26, 2016 at 8:11 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 24, 2016 at 8:54 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Silver - July 24, 2016 at 9:30 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by madog - July 24, 2016 at 9:45 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Gawdzilla - July 25, 2016 at 11:45 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by ignoramus - July 24, 2016 at 10:54 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 25, 2016 at 7:03 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 25, 2016 at 8:43 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Grand Nudger - July 25, 2016 at 8:54 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by LostLocke - July 25, 2016 at 9:41 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Drich - July 25, 2016 at 10:07 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by bennyboy - July 25, 2016 at 12:56 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Whateverist - July 25, 2016 at 1:02 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 25, 2016 at 1:17 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Grand Nudger - July 25, 2016 at 10:15 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Drich - July 25, 2016 at 3:09 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Nay_Sayer - July 25, 2016 at 6:04 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Drich - July 26, 2016 at 8:12 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by madog - July 26, 2016 at 8:31 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Neo-Scholastic - July 26, 2016 at 12:15 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Esquilax - July 26, 2016 at 12:57 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Crossless1 - July 25, 2016 at 10:39 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Neo-Scholastic - July 25, 2016 at 11:02 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Whateverist - July 25, 2016 at 11:06 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Neo-Scholastic - July 25, 2016 at 11:20 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Whateverist - July 25, 2016 at 11:21 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 25, 2016 at 12:40 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Neo-Scholastic - July 25, 2016 at 6:47 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 25, 2016 at 7:29 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Grand Nudger - July 25, 2016 at 11:06 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 25, 2016 at 1:19 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 25, 2016 at 1:21 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 25, 2016 at 1:24 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by FatAndFaithless - July 25, 2016 at 1:28 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 25, 2016 at 1:27 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by bennyboy - July 25, 2016 at 7:56 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 25, 2016 at 1:28 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 25, 2016 at 1:29 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 25, 2016 at 2:58 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by FatAndFaithless - July 25, 2016 at 3:00 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Grand Nudger - July 25, 2016 at 3:15 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Grand Nudger - July 25, 2016 at 6:50 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Neo-Scholastic - July 25, 2016 at 7:15 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Grand Nudger - July 25, 2016 at 7:17 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 25, 2016 at 7:56 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by bennyboy - July 25, 2016 at 8:01 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 25, 2016 at 8:07 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Grand Nudger - July 25, 2016 at 8:09 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 25, 2016 at 8:11 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by bennyboy - July 25, 2016 at 8:16 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 25, 2016 at 8:29 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by drfuzzy - July 25, 2016 at 8:46 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Grand Nudger - July 25, 2016 at 8:13 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Silver - July 25, 2016 at 8:31 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Valkyrie - July 25, 2016 at 8:36 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by ignoramus - July 25, 2016 at 9:26 pm
The problem with prayer. - by LadyForCamus - July 25, 2016 at 9:44 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 25, 2016 at 10:21 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by bennyboy - July 25, 2016 at 10:38 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 25, 2016 at 10:23 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 25, 2016 at 10:25 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 25, 2016 at 10:27 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 25, 2016 at 10:41 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 25, 2016 at 10:45 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by bennyboy - July 25, 2016 at 10:50 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Homeless Nutter - July 26, 2016 at 5:50 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Grand Nudger - July 25, 2016 at 11:33 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by ignoramus - July 26, 2016 at 5:32 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 26, 2016 at 7:08 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 26, 2016 at 7:09 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Gawdzilla - July 26, 2016 at 8:10 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 26, 2016 at 8:14 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Grand Nudger - July 26, 2016 at 12:06 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 26, 2016 at 12:15 pm
The problem with prayer. - by LadyForCamus - July 26, 2016 at 12:56 pm
The problem with prayer. - by LadyForCamus - July 26, 2016 at 12:59 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 26, 2016 at 5:49 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Angrboda - July 26, 2016 at 7:24 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by vorlon13 - July 26, 2016 at 7:51 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Minimalist - July 26, 2016 at 8:00 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by ignoramus - July 26, 2016 at 8:02 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 26, 2016 at 8:55 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Angrboda - July 26, 2016 at 9:47 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 26, 2016 at 9:05 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by bennyboy - July 26, 2016 at 9:28 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by vorlon13 - July 26, 2016 at 11:28 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Minimalist - July 26, 2016 at 9:12 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 26, 2016 at 9:20 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 26, 2016 at 10:20 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by bennyboy - July 26, 2016 at 10:53 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Valkyrie - July 26, 2016 at 10:56 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Whateverist - July 26, 2016 at 10:43 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by ignoramus - July 26, 2016 at 11:23 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Valkyrie - July 26, 2016 at 11:35 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by ignoramus - July 27, 2016 at 3:16 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 27, 2016 at 6:12 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by vorlon13 - July 27, 2016 at 9:39 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 27, 2016 at 6:48 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Grand Nudger - July 27, 2016 at 9:42 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 27, 2016 at 10:07 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 27, 2016 at 9:46 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by vorlon13 - July 27, 2016 at 2:12 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by ignoramus - July 27, 2016 at 11:09 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by vorlon13 - July 28, 2016 at 8:39 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by rado84 - July 28, 2016 at 7:55 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 29, 2016 at 2:58 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 29, 2016 at 2:59 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 29, 2016 at 3:43 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 30, 2016 at 4:02 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Excited Penguin - July 29, 2016 at 3:51 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 30, 2016 at 4:00 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by madog - August 1, 2016 at 9:31 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - August 4, 2016 at 2:33 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by madog - August 4, 2016 at 10:47 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - August 5, 2016 at 4:15 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Angrboda - August 4, 2016 at 6:54 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - August 5, 2016 at 4:20 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Angrboda - August 5, 2016 at 10:58 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Nay_Sayer - August 11, 2016 at 2:12 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Incognito - August 1, 2016 at 10:15 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - August 4, 2016 at 2:44 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Excited Penguin - August 4, 2016 at 2:46 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - August 4, 2016 at 3:17 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Excited Penguin - August 4, 2016 at 3:19 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Expired - August 4, 2016 at 4:16 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - August 5, 2016 at 4:11 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Expired - August 5, 2016 at 2:22 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Jesster - August 11, 2016 at 5:28 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Crossless1 - August 11, 2016 at 5:41 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Jesster - August 11, 2016 at 5:43 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Whateverist - August 11, 2016 at 8:56 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Grandizer - August 11, 2016 at 9:25 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by drfuzzy - August 13, 2016 at 8:15 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Grandizer - August 13, 2016 at 8:41 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Incognito - August 31, 2016 at 2:38 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 29, 2016 at 3:35 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 29, 2016 at 3:38 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Czechlervitz30 - July 29, 2016 at 3:41 am
The problem with prayer. - by LadyForCamus - July 29, 2016 at 9:18 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 29, 2016 at 9:24 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 29, 2016 at 9:26 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 29, 2016 at 9:30 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 29, 2016 at 9:55 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 29, 2016 at 10:14 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 29, 2016 at 11:38 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 29, 2016 at 11:39 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 29, 2016 at 11:39 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by madog - July 29, 2016 at 11:52 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by FatAndFaithless - July 29, 2016 at 11:53 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 29, 2016 at 11:53 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 29, 2016 at 4:29 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Minimalist - July 29, 2016 at 7:12 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 30, 2016 at 3:59 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 30, 2016 at 4:01 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 30, 2016 at 4:39 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 30, 2016 at 4:52 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - August 4, 2016 at 2:54 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Minimalist - July 31, 2016 at 1:46 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 30, 2016 at 4:02 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 30, 2016 at 4:41 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 30, 2016 at 4:51 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 30, 2016 at 9:28 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 30, 2016 at 9:59 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 30, 2016 at 10:03 am
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RE: The problem with prayer. - by madog - August 1, 2016 at 9:38 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Losty - August 2, 2016 at 2:42 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 31, 2016 at 1:28 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - August 1, 2016 at 12:45 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - August 1, 2016 at 1:03 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - August 1, 2016 at 1:00 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - August 2, 2016 at 12:03 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - August 2, 2016 at 2:50 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - August 2, 2016 at 2:50 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Fidel_Castronaut - August 2, 2016 at 2:59 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Expired - August 2, 2016 at 3:02 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by madog - August 2, 2016 at 4:54 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - August 4, 2016 at 3:02 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - August 4, 2016 at 6:17 pm
The problem with prayer. - by LadyForCamus - August 4, 2016 at 8:55 pm
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RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - August 5, 2016 at 4:14 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - August 5, 2016 at 6:59 am
The problem with prayer. - by LadyForCamus - August 5, 2016 at 8:13 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - August 5, 2016 at 8:16 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - August 5, 2016 at 8:16 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Grand Nudger - August 5, 2016 at 3:30 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Whateverist - August 11, 2016 at 8:55 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - August 5, 2016 at 3:55 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Nay_Sayer - August 11, 2016 at 2:15 pm
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