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The problem with prayer.
RE: The problem with prayer.
(July 26, 2016 at 8:12 am)Drich Wrote: Why would you assume the God wants us to have life easy?

While I'll give you credit for an actually pretty well written post, I do have to point out that your entire answer is reliant upon its own, unspoken assumption, which you should probably question too:

Why would you assume god wants us to have this life?

Now, I don't mean that qualitatively, like, why would god desire an easy life or a hard life, but more in terms of, why would god want us to have a life with these specific parameters at all? Your points about challenge and struggle forcing us to aspire to greater things are totally valid in a world where we're alone, or one where god had no choice but to construct a reality for us with mortality, limited resources and so on; in fact in the latter ensuring that such strife could lead to opportunity would be the morally good thing to do.

But that's not the god you're talking about, is it?

Your god has the ability to take away all of the limitations placed, but even assuming the need for hardship pursuant to growth- which is not at all a safe assumption given the christian god's power set and, indeed, his penchant for revelation- he could easily make the consequences of those hardships less... shall we say ruinous, random, and cruelly inflicted? Hardship can exist as the foundation for progress without alloying that hardship with the bodies of the dead, after all. Hardship doesn't require the additional pressure of natural disasters we can't possibly fight, nor diseases for which the only progress they can spark is the cure for those diseases.

We can be challenged, and rise to meet those challenges, without the countless dead children robbed of their opportunity to do the same in the name of progress. This is within your god's power set to grant and, according to your theology, more in line with what he actually wants, given that his initial creation had none of those hardships at all, and god was apparently content with that. If you want us to ask why god would want us to have an easy life, it's equally valid to ask why the life we have has been constructed by that god in this way.

And I have a hard time reconciling your answer to the former question with the bible, either, not only because god really did want humans to have an easy life, if you take the Genesis account at all seriously, but also because the hardships you're saying were put in place to foster human growth... weren't? God put them there, pretty unambiguously, to punish man for sin; you've got Wooters over there spouting off about biblical support for your position, but curiously you're both omitting the verses, right at the beginning of the book, where god's like "yo, the reason you have to toil and die now is because you disobeyed me."

Without that, there would have been no hardship at all, so how does your answer fit into that?
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The problem with prayer. - by Gawdzilla - July 20, 2016 at 9:52 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by mediocrates - July 20, 2016 at 10:06 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by PETE_ROSE - July 20, 2016 at 10:07 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by ApeNotKillApe - July 20, 2016 at 10:13 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 20, 2016 at 10:38 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Whateverist - July 25, 2016 at 10:56 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by FatAndFaithless - July 20, 2016 at 10:09 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Gawdzilla - July 20, 2016 at 10:34 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by PETE_ROSE - July 20, 2016 at 10:40 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 20, 2016 at 10:42 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by PETE_ROSE - July 20, 2016 at 10:59 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by brewer - July 20, 2016 at 1:58 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Spirian - July 20, 2016 at 2:39 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Simon Moon - July 20, 2016 at 2:50 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by brewer - July 20, 2016 at 3:48 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Spirian - July 20, 2016 at 4:12 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by chimp3 - August 1, 2016 at 10:20 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 20, 2016 at 11:01 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by PETE_ROSE - July 20, 2016 at 11:06 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by PETE_ROSE - July 20, 2016 at 11:02 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 20, 2016 at 11:03 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by PETE_ROSE - July 20, 2016 at 11:07 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 20, 2016 at 11:09 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 20, 2016 at 11:12 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 20, 2016 at 11:08 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by PETE_ROSE - July 20, 2016 at 11:09 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 20, 2016 at 11:11 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by PETE_ROSE - July 20, 2016 at 11:26 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 20, 2016 at 11:36 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 20, 2016 at 11:51 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Neo-Scholastic - July 20, 2016 at 1:09 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Angrboda - July 20, 2016 at 1:49 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Minimalist - July 20, 2016 at 11:55 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Gawdzilla - July 20, 2016 at 12:49 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Neo-Scholastic - July 20, 2016 at 12:57 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Minimalist - July 20, 2016 at 2:14 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Gawdzilla - July 21, 2016 at 7:08 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 20, 2016 at 1:16 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Neo-Scholastic - July 21, 2016 at 12:33 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 20, 2016 at 1:21 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by PETE_ROSE - July 20, 2016 at 1:34 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Simon Moon - July 20, 2016 at 2:41 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by CapnAwesome - July 20, 2016 at 1:44 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Spirian - July 20, 2016 at 1:48 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 20, 2016 at 2:14 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Minimalist - July 20, 2016 at 2:18 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by PETE_ROSE - July 20, 2016 at 3:31 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Simon Moon - July 20, 2016 at 3:53 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Viking - July 20, 2016 at 4:46 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Grand Nudger - July 20, 2016 at 4:55 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 21, 2016 at 6:34 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by ignoramus - July 21, 2016 at 6:40 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by chimp3 - July 21, 2016 at 6:54 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 21, 2016 at 1:04 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 21, 2016 at 1:44 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 23, 2016 at 3:45 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 23, 2016 at 8:00 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 24, 2016 at 4:20 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 25, 2016 at 10:40 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 26, 2016 at 3:28 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 26, 2016 at 4:10 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 27, 2016 at 2:52 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Grandizer - July 26, 2016 at 7:20 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 27, 2016 at 3:44 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Grandizer - July 27, 2016 at 8:22 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 29, 2016 at 2:30 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Minimalist - July 27, 2016 at 1:43 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 29, 2016 at 2:25 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 29, 2016 at 6:13 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 30, 2016 at 3:58 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 30, 2016 at 9:23 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - August 4, 2016 at 2:46 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Minimalist - July 29, 2016 at 5:43 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Gemini - July 29, 2016 at 6:20 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 30, 2016 at 3:56 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 30, 2016 at 3:55 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 26, 2016 at 1:06 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 27, 2016 at 3:41 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 27, 2016 at 6:28 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 29, 2016 at 2:35 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Minimalist - July 26, 2016 at 6:28 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Spirian - July 21, 2016 at 1:58 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 21, 2016 at 2:16 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Grand Nudger - July 21, 2016 at 3:00 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by brewer - July 21, 2016 at 7:56 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 23, 2016 at 3:47 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 23, 2016 at 8:01 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by ignoramus - July 23, 2016 at 8:03 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 24, 2016 at 7:56 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Neo-Scholastic - July 24, 2016 at 3:32 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Silver - July 24, 2016 at 5:05 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Grand Nudger - July 24, 2016 at 3:41 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 24, 2016 at 3:46 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Esquilax - July 24, 2016 at 5:03 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 24, 2016 at 3:45 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Neo-Scholastic - July 25, 2016 at 8:17 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 26, 2016 at 8:11 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 24, 2016 at 8:54 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Silver - July 24, 2016 at 9:30 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by madog - July 24, 2016 at 9:45 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Gawdzilla - July 25, 2016 at 11:45 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by ignoramus - July 24, 2016 at 10:54 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 25, 2016 at 7:03 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 25, 2016 at 8:43 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Grand Nudger - July 25, 2016 at 8:54 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by LostLocke - July 25, 2016 at 9:41 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Drich - July 25, 2016 at 10:07 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by bennyboy - July 25, 2016 at 12:56 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Whateverist - July 25, 2016 at 1:02 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 25, 2016 at 1:17 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Grand Nudger - July 25, 2016 at 10:15 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Drich - July 25, 2016 at 3:09 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Nay_Sayer - July 25, 2016 at 6:04 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Drich - July 26, 2016 at 8:12 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by madog - July 26, 2016 at 8:31 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Neo-Scholastic - July 26, 2016 at 12:15 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Esquilax - July 26, 2016 at 12:57 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Crossless1 - July 25, 2016 at 10:39 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Neo-Scholastic - July 25, 2016 at 11:02 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Whateverist - July 25, 2016 at 11:06 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Neo-Scholastic - July 25, 2016 at 11:20 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Whateverist - July 25, 2016 at 11:21 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 25, 2016 at 12:40 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Neo-Scholastic - July 25, 2016 at 6:47 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 25, 2016 at 7:29 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Grand Nudger - July 25, 2016 at 11:06 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 25, 2016 at 1:19 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 25, 2016 at 1:21 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 25, 2016 at 1:24 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by FatAndFaithless - July 25, 2016 at 1:28 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 25, 2016 at 1:27 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by bennyboy - July 25, 2016 at 7:56 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 25, 2016 at 1:28 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 25, 2016 at 1:29 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 25, 2016 at 2:58 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by FatAndFaithless - July 25, 2016 at 3:00 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Grand Nudger - July 25, 2016 at 3:15 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Grand Nudger - July 25, 2016 at 6:50 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Neo-Scholastic - July 25, 2016 at 7:15 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Grand Nudger - July 25, 2016 at 7:17 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 25, 2016 at 7:56 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by bennyboy - July 25, 2016 at 8:01 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 25, 2016 at 8:07 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Grand Nudger - July 25, 2016 at 8:09 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 25, 2016 at 8:11 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by bennyboy - July 25, 2016 at 8:16 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 25, 2016 at 8:29 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by drfuzzy - July 25, 2016 at 8:46 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Grand Nudger - July 25, 2016 at 8:13 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Silver - July 25, 2016 at 8:31 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Valkyrie - July 25, 2016 at 8:36 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by ignoramus - July 25, 2016 at 9:26 pm
The problem with prayer. - by LadyForCamus - July 25, 2016 at 9:44 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 25, 2016 at 10:21 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by bennyboy - July 25, 2016 at 10:38 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 25, 2016 at 10:23 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 25, 2016 at 10:25 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 25, 2016 at 10:27 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 25, 2016 at 10:41 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 25, 2016 at 10:45 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by bennyboy - July 25, 2016 at 10:50 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Homeless Nutter - July 26, 2016 at 5:50 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Grand Nudger - July 25, 2016 at 11:33 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by ignoramus - July 26, 2016 at 5:32 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 26, 2016 at 7:08 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 26, 2016 at 7:09 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Gawdzilla - July 26, 2016 at 8:10 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 26, 2016 at 8:14 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Grand Nudger - July 26, 2016 at 12:06 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 26, 2016 at 12:15 pm
The problem with prayer. - by LadyForCamus - July 26, 2016 at 12:56 pm
The problem with prayer. - by LadyForCamus - July 26, 2016 at 12:59 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 26, 2016 at 5:49 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Angrboda - July 26, 2016 at 7:24 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by vorlon13 - July 26, 2016 at 7:51 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Minimalist - July 26, 2016 at 8:00 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by ignoramus - July 26, 2016 at 8:02 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 26, 2016 at 8:55 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Angrboda - July 26, 2016 at 9:47 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 26, 2016 at 9:05 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by bennyboy - July 26, 2016 at 9:28 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by vorlon13 - July 26, 2016 at 11:28 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Minimalist - July 26, 2016 at 9:12 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 26, 2016 at 9:20 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 26, 2016 at 10:20 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by bennyboy - July 26, 2016 at 10:53 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Valkyrie - July 26, 2016 at 10:56 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Whateverist - July 26, 2016 at 10:43 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by ignoramus - July 26, 2016 at 11:23 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Valkyrie - July 26, 2016 at 11:35 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by ignoramus - July 27, 2016 at 3:16 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 27, 2016 at 6:12 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by vorlon13 - July 27, 2016 at 9:39 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 27, 2016 at 6:48 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Grand Nudger - July 27, 2016 at 9:42 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 27, 2016 at 10:07 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 27, 2016 at 9:46 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by vorlon13 - July 27, 2016 at 2:12 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by ignoramus - July 27, 2016 at 11:09 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by vorlon13 - July 28, 2016 at 8:39 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by rado84 - July 28, 2016 at 7:55 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 29, 2016 at 2:58 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 29, 2016 at 2:59 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 29, 2016 at 3:43 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 30, 2016 at 4:02 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Excited Penguin - July 29, 2016 at 3:51 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 30, 2016 at 4:00 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by madog - August 1, 2016 at 9:31 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - August 4, 2016 at 2:33 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by madog - August 4, 2016 at 10:47 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - August 5, 2016 at 4:15 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Angrboda - August 4, 2016 at 6:54 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - August 5, 2016 at 4:20 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Angrboda - August 5, 2016 at 10:58 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Nay_Sayer - August 11, 2016 at 2:12 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Incognito - August 1, 2016 at 10:15 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - August 4, 2016 at 2:44 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Excited Penguin - August 4, 2016 at 2:46 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - August 4, 2016 at 3:17 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Excited Penguin - August 4, 2016 at 3:19 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Expired - August 4, 2016 at 4:16 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - August 5, 2016 at 4:11 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Expired - August 5, 2016 at 2:22 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Jesster - August 11, 2016 at 5:28 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Crossless1 - August 11, 2016 at 5:41 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Jesster - August 11, 2016 at 5:43 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Whateverist - August 11, 2016 at 8:56 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Grandizer - August 11, 2016 at 9:25 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by drfuzzy - August 13, 2016 at 8:15 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Grandizer - August 13, 2016 at 8:41 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Incognito - August 31, 2016 at 2:38 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 29, 2016 at 3:35 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 29, 2016 at 3:38 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Czechlervitz30 - July 29, 2016 at 3:41 am
The problem with prayer. - by LadyForCamus - July 29, 2016 at 9:18 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 29, 2016 at 9:24 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 29, 2016 at 9:26 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 29, 2016 at 9:30 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 29, 2016 at 9:55 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 29, 2016 at 10:14 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 29, 2016 at 11:38 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 29, 2016 at 11:39 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 29, 2016 at 11:39 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by madog - July 29, 2016 at 11:52 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by FatAndFaithless - July 29, 2016 at 11:53 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 29, 2016 at 11:53 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 29, 2016 at 4:29 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Minimalist - July 29, 2016 at 7:12 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 30, 2016 at 3:59 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 30, 2016 at 4:01 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 30, 2016 at 4:39 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 30, 2016 at 4:52 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - August 4, 2016 at 2:54 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Minimalist - July 31, 2016 at 1:46 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 30, 2016 at 4:02 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 30, 2016 at 4:41 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 30, 2016 at 4:51 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 30, 2016 at 9:28 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 30, 2016 at 9:59 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 30, 2016 at 10:03 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Neo-Scholastic - July 31, 2016 at 10:27 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by madog - August 1, 2016 at 9:38 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Losty - August 2, 2016 at 2:42 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 31, 2016 at 1:28 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - August 1, 2016 at 12:45 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - August 1, 2016 at 1:03 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - August 1, 2016 at 1:00 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - August 2, 2016 at 12:03 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - August 2, 2016 at 2:50 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - August 2, 2016 at 2:50 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Fidel_Castronaut - August 2, 2016 at 2:59 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Expired - August 2, 2016 at 3:02 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by madog - August 2, 2016 at 4:54 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - August 4, 2016 at 3:02 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - August 4, 2016 at 6:17 pm
The problem with prayer. - by LadyForCamus - August 4, 2016 at 8:55 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - August 5, 2016 at 1:14 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - August 5, 2016 at 4:14 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - August 5, 2016 at 6:59 am
The problem with prayer. - by LadyForCamus - August 5, 2016 at 8:13 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - August 5, 2016 at 8:16 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - August 5, 2016 at 8:16 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Grand Nudger - August 5, 2016 at 3:30 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Whateverist - August 11, 2016 at 8:55 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - August 5, 2016 at 3:55 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Nay_Sayer - August 11, 2016 at 2:15 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by rado84 - August 23, 2016 at 7:31 am

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