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The problem with prayer.
RE: The problem with prayer.
(July 26, 2016 at 7:24 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: If God is omniscient, then he knows in advance all the prayers I will make, and all the prayers that I won't make. This is all a part of God's plan for me. How will my praying bring me closer to God if that is not a part of his plan? Just as prayers petitioning for things can't alter what he has already foreordained, neither will my praying affect his plan for me. You can't escape the inexorableness of God's plan by focusing on God's plan for me. Both are a form of petition to change God's plan. Either God's plan for my prayer life is set or it isn't. Either God's plan is inviolate or it isn't, including his plans for me. It seems silly that after a life doing nothing other than what has been ordained for me, I am then supposed to be judged on what God already knew before I was born. It seems rather callous and petty for God to judge me when I really couldn't have done other than what he had planned. Either way, you can't escape the paradox that extra prayer to bring me closer to God has been ruled out by his omniscience.

Omniscience and an inviolate plan don't mix very well.
Omniscience in no way removes a variable allowed by that omniscience.

Also; just because the will of GOD doesn't change, doesn't mean that in IT's omnipotence, it doesn't allow for us to change or be free from any binding.

Just because the ultimate will of GOD is ordained by GOD, doesn't mean IT can't allow for change in any way. Technically, it is feasible to claim that literally all is ordained yet infinite variables are within this equation that ultimately has a singular answer or result. It is feasible to say that every action in a persons life at all times is both preordained and yet freely theirs to make. Every action could result in an infinite amount of other outcomes. Every step you take can change your destiny, yet that will have been your destiny from before time still. But that is from your perspective and doesn't mean GOD didn't know it or ordain it. In other words; it is not outside the will or power or knowledge of GOD to allow us learn things through experience. Just because GOD knows our will, that doesn't mean we can't change it.

If we knew our destiny, then it would make prayer of little necessity. GOD knowing it, does not.

Sorry, it's probably hard to follow, but we are talking about multiple infinities.
Kinda hard for me to describe.

Peace



Faith in selfless Unity for Good.
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The problem with prayer. - by Gawdzilla - July 20, 2016 at 9:52 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by mediocrates - July 20, 2016 at 10:06 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by PETE_ROSE - July 20, 2016 at 10:07 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by ApeNotKillApe - July 20, 2016 at 10:13 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 20, 2016 at 10:38 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Whateverist - July 25, 2016 at 10:56 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by FatAndFaithless - July 20, 2016 at 10:09 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Gawdzilla - July 20, 2016 at 10:34 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by PETE_ROSE - July 20, 2016 at 10:40 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 20, 2016 at 10:42 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by PETE_ROSE - July 20, 2016 at 10:59 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by brewer - July 20, 2016 at 1:58 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Spirian - July 20, 2016 at 2:39 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Simon Moon - July 20, 2016 at 2:50 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by brewer - July 20, 2016 at 3:48 pm
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RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 20, 2016 at 11:01 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by PETE_ROSE - July 20, 2016 at 11:06 am
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RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 20, 2016 at 11:03 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by PETE_ROSE - July 20, 2016 at 11:07 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 20, 2016 at 11:09 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 20, 2016 at 11:12 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 20, 2016 at 11:08 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by PETE_ROSE - July 20, 2016 at 11:09 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 20, 2016 at 11:11 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by PETE_ROSE - July 20, 2016 at 11:26 am
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RE: The problem with prayer. - by Neo-Scholastic - July 20, 2016 at 1:09 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Angrboda - July 20, 2016 at 1:49 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Minimalist - July 20, 2016 at 11:55 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Gawdzilla - July 20, 2016 at 12:49 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Neo-Scholastic - July 20, 2016 at 12:57 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Minimalist - July 20, 2016 at 2:14 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Gawdzilla - July 21, 2016 at 7:08 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 20, 2016 at 1:16 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Neo-Scholastic - July 21, 2016 at 12:33 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 20, 2016 at 1:21 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by PETE_ROSE - July 20, 2016 at 1:34 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Simon Moon - July 20, 2016 at 2:41 pm
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RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 20, 2016 at 2:14 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Minimalist - July 20, 2016 at 2:18 pm
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RE: The problem with prayer. - by Simon Moon - July 20, 2016 at 3:53 pm
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RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Grand Nudger - July 20, 2016 at 4:55 pm
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RE: The problem with prayer. - by ignoramus - July 21, 2016 at 6:40 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by chimp3 - July 21, 2016 at 6:54 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 21, 2016 at 1:04 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 21, 2016 at 1:44 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 23, 2016 at 3:45 am
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RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 24, 2016 at 4:20 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 25, 2016 at 10:40 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 26, 2016 at 3:28 am
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RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 27, 2016 at 2:52 am
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RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 29, 2016 at 6:13 am
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RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 30, 2016 at 9:23 am
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RE: The problem with prayer. - by Minimalist - July 29, 2016 at 5:43 pm
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RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 30, 2016 at 3:56 am
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RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 26, 2016 at 1:06 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 27, 2016 at 3:41 am
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RE: The problem with prayer. - by Minimalist - July 26, 2016 at 6:28 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Spirian - July 21, 2016 at 1:58 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 21, 2016 at 2:16 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Grand Nudger - July 21, 2016 at 3:00 pm
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RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 24, 2016 at 7:56 am
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RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 24, 2016 at 3:45 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Neo-Scholastic - July 25, 2016 at 8:17 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 26, 2016 at 8:11 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 24, 2016 at 8:54 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Silver - July 24, 2016 at 9:30 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by madog - July 24, 2016 at 9:45 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Gawdzilla - July 25, 2016 at 11:45 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by ignoramus - July 24, 2016 at 10:54 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 25, 2016 at 7:03 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 25, 2016 at 8:43 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Grand Nudger - July 25, 2016 at 8:54 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by LostLocke - July 25, 2016 at 9:41 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Drich - July 25, 2016 at 10:07 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by bennyboy - July 25, 2016 at 12:56 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Whateverist - July 25, 2016 at 1:02 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 25, 2016 at 1:17 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Grand Nudger - July 25, 2016 at 10:15 am
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RE: The problem with prayer. - by Nay_Sayer - July 25, 2016 at 6:04 pm
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RE: The problem with prayer. - by Esquilax - July 26, 2016 at 12:57 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Crossless1 - July 25, 2016 at 10:39 am
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RE: The problem with prayer. - by Neo-Scholastic - July 25, 2016 at 11:20 am
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RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 25, 2016 at 12:40 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Neo-Scholastic - July 25, 2016 at 6:47 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 25, 2016 at 7:29 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Grand Nudger - July 25, 2016 at 11:06 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 25, 2016 at 1:19 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 25, 2016 at 1:21 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 25, 2016 at 1:24 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by FatAndFaithless - July 25, 2016 at 1:28 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 25, 2016 at 1:27 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by bennyboy - July 25, 2016 at 7:56 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 25, 2016 at 1:28 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 25, 2016 at 1:29 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 25, 2016 at 2:58 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by FatAndFaithless - July 25, 2016 at 3:00 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Grand Nudger - July 25, 2016 at 3:15 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Grand Nudger - July 25, 2016 at 6:50 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Neo-Scholastic - July 25, 2016 at 7:15 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Grand Nudger - July 25, 2016 at 7:17 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 25, 2016 at 7:56 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by bennyboy - July 25, 2016 at 8:01 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 25, 2016 at 8:07 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Grand Nudger - July 25, 2016 at 8:09 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 25, 2016 at 8:11 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by bennyboy - July 25, 2016 at 8:16 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 25, 2016 at 8:29 pm
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RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Grand Nudger - July 25, 2016 at 8:13 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Silver - July 25, 2016 at 8:31 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Valkyrie - July 25, 2016 at 8:36 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by ignoramus - July 25, 2016 at 9:26 pm
The problem with prayer. - by LadyForCamus - July 25, 2016 at 9:44 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 25, 2016 at 10:21 pm
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RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 25, 2016 at 10:25 pm
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RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 25, 2016 at 10:41 pm
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RE: The problem with prayer. - by bennyboy - July 25, 2016 at 10:50 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Homeless Nutter - July 26, 2016 at 5:50 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Grand Nudger - July 25, 2016 at 11:33 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by ignoramus - July 26, 2016 at 5:32 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 26, 2016 at 7:08 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 26, 2016 at 7:09 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Gawdzilla - July 26, 2016 at 8:10 am
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RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Grand Nudger - July 26, 2016 at 12:06 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 26, 2016 at 12:15 pm
The problem with prayer. - by LadyForCamus - July 26, 2016 at 12:56 pm
The problem with prayer. - by LadyForCamus - July 26, 2016 at 12:59 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 26, 2016 at 5:49 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Angrboda - July 26, 2016 at 7:24 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by vorlon13 - July 26, 2016 at 7:51 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Minimalist - July 26, 2016 at 8:00 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by ignoramus - July 26, 2016 at 8:02 pm
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RE: The problem with prayer. - by Minimalist - July 26, 2016 at 9:12 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 26, 2016 at 9:20 pm
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RE: The problem with prayer. - by bennyboy - July 26, 2016 at 10:53 pm
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RE: The problem with prayer. - by Whateverist - July 26, 2016 at 10:43 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by ignoramus - July 26, 2016 at 11:23 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Valkyrie - July 26, 2016 at 11:35 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by ignoramus - July 27, 2016 at 3:16 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 27, 2016 at 6:12 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by vorlon13 - July 27, 2016 at 9:39 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 27, 2016 at 6:48 am
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RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 27, 2016 at 10:07 am
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RE: The problem with prayer. - by vorlon13 - July 27, 2016 at 2:12 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by ignoramus - July 27, 2016 at 11:09 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by vorlon13 - July 28, 2016 at 8:39 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by rado84 - July 28, 2016 at 7:55 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 29, 2016 at 2:58 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 29, 2016 at 2:59 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 29, 2016 at 3:43 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 30, 2016 at 4:02 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Excited Penguin - July 29, 2016 at 3:51 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 30, 2016 at 4:00 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by madog - August 1, 2016 at 9:31 am
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RE: The problem with prayer. - by Nay_Sayer - August 11, 2016 at 2:12 pm
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RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - August 4, 2016 at 2:44 am
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The problem with prayer. - by LadyForCamus - July 29, 2016 at 9:18 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 29, 2016 at 9:24 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by robvalue - July 29, 2016 at 9:26 am
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RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 29, 2016 at 9:55 am
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RE: The problem with prayer. - by madog - July 29, 2016 at 11:52 am
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RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 29, 2016 at 11:53 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by popsthebuilder - July 29, 2016 at 4:29 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Minimalist - July 29, 2016 at 7:12 pm
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RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 30, 2016 at 4:39 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 30, 2016 at 4:52 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - August 4, 2016 at 2:54 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Minimalist - July 31, 2016 at 1:46 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - July 30, 2016 at 4:02 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Godschild - July 30, 2016 at 4:41 am
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RE: The problem with prayer. - by Cyberman - July 30, 2016 at 9:59 am
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RE: The problem with prayer. - by Expired - August 2, 2016 at 3:02 am
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RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - August 4, 2016 at 3:02 am
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The problem with prayer. - by LadyForCamus - August 4, 2016 at 8:55 pm
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RE: The problem with prayer. - by Edwardo Piet - August 5, 2016 at 8:16 am
RE: The problem with prayer. - by The Grand Nudger - August 5, 2016 at 3:30 pm
RE: The problem with prayer. - by Whateverist - August 11, 2016 at 8:55 pm
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