RE: Question for deists: why is there a Creator?
May 25, 2011 at 4:22 pm
(This post was last modified: May 25, 2011 at 4:25 pm by Zenith.)
(May 22, 2011 at 4:56 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote:(May 22, 2011 at 2:34 am)Rayaan Wrote: So if God is a conscious being, as you stated, then does it really make sense to think that He's an impersonal God (while having consciousness)? That idea doesn't seem to fit together for me though.
Consciousness doesn't mean personal. I sometimes use my human-scientist-and-the-petri-dish analogy to illustrate. The human scientist cultivate the bacteria colony in the petri dish but has no relationship with the individual cells or any ability to relate to them. It's a matter of scale.
Mind if you explain that to me better? The reason why we can't communicate with cells is pretty obvious (they don't have the abilities we have, because they are simple cells, i.e. no ears to hear, no eyes to see us, etc.). So, if the Creator willed, why would it be impossible for Him to communicate with a person? Or you consider the Creator as a kind of Gaia (i.e. a handicapped God that created the universe, but cannot think/reason, does not have memory, whatever)? Though it's quite odd to imagine the Creator inferior and much less complex to His own creation.
Quote:I don't know that argument. Please explain.(May 22, 2011 at 3:12 pm)Zenith Wrote: You know, I was thinking of something like: do you have any arguments why there must/should be a Creator, instead of things simply existing (i.e. atheist version)? If you think there is a God, are there some things that made you reach that conclusion?
Mostly instinct, to be completely honest.
There is my "homosexuality proves God" argument.
By the way, I've looked upon the site which Cinjin Cain has given. I've found some of your beliefs there.
May I ask you, how that you (i.e.DeistPaladin) came to become a deist? it appears as if you were 'converted' or something, rather than what I imagined (i.e. I imagined that you came to the conclusions yourself and then found out that this is called "deism"). And also, if you wish to tell, and if it is not covered by the previous question, how did you get to believe that there is a Creator?
Some things that I found interesting on that site: it calls "deism" a religion, it has a founder, it seems to have a doctrine, like:
http://www.deism.com/beautydeism.htm Wrote:WHAT BEING A DEIST DEMANDS
Being a Deist demands that we truly believe, to the depths of our souls, that the spiritual philosophy of Deism will definitely make our own lives better and that it will make the world a better place.
It seems to me for now that this 'religion' has all the potential to become like other modern religions. The next step is deism "teachers" whom to teach the doctrine and wisdom of deism (as the "deism" seems not to be confined to "I believe in a God that ignores us", and there seem to be books on the topic). But, whatever...
Quote:Science is the study of the universe. Studying creation is a way to better know the creator. Science is what brings us closer to understanding God.So how much you have learned about the Creator so far?
P.S. Another point about "Mostly instinct, to be completely honest." which you've said:
Have you thought that perhaps your instinct does not necessarily 'believe' the truth?
Also, have you thought about finding arguments for the existence of a Creator?