(September 26, 2016 at 10:34 am)Drich Wrote:(September 24, 2016 at 6:45 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: It's not a cops job to harass law abiding citizens, cops need to have a little something called probable cause.You are changing the narrative.
https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=jlb7goXKxFQ
It is not your job to discern whether or not a cop has probable cause. That is a matter for the court. Your's like every other citizens (responsibility) is to submit to law enforcement when so directed.
Many, people foolish think that an arrest or being detain is the same as being sentenced to a prison term. So they over react, and try and excuse none compliant behavior with how the law reads.. Due process at this point does include an opportunity for you or me to defend one self. that is a matter of the court.
So again, does a cop have probable cause? it does not matter at this point. It matters in court.
Quote:Better question, why is it you seem to be offended by that statement? does it go against your 'moral fiber?' does it seem wrong to let someone have authority over you? Even though as a believe that is the cornerstone of our beliefs?Quote:Not to turn this discussion into a religious one, but there is no requirement for any man to be unlawfully under subjection to any authority figure.But again who are we to decide what is lawful and what is not?
Did Christ rebel when He was 'unlawfully' detained, or did he put up a fight? What did He tell peter after he tried to fight the unlawful detention of Christ?
Did Paul fight capture, did he call for riots even after being whipped?
If you are honest to yourself about our religion you will note the whole religion center's itself around those of us who have been wrongful detained and prosecuted and yet remained faithful even unto death. So then how is the cross you've been asked to be somehow greater and excuses you from submission than the literal crosses Christ and just about everyone who followed Him were nailed to?
Not to mention Paul's direct command in Rom 13 for us to submit ourselves to the governing authorities. Which was a lot tougher command to follow in his day under an insane Ceaser who crucified christians and set them ablaze to light his garden parties.
Of which I'm sure did not receive anything close to a fair trial.
I am not religious but I do agree with the structure of your post. You don't have to have a religion to know the difference between right and wrong. This should come from the home from ideally a mum and dad or mum/mum or dad/dad whichever. A lot of people nowadays are too afraid to assume the reponsibility and claim it is the fault of others. I mean, when I committed the act of burglary in broad daylight with some so-called friends, I thought it was cool. However, when one of the friends got caught, he went squawking like a bird. The police went around to my house on a Friday apparently but no-one was home so, I had a lucky escape. That is, until I went to my friends house and his mum asked me if I helped her son commit burglary and I denied it three times until I finally gave in. I walked the 5 minutes to my house and waited outside thinking of a way to break the news to my parents. I knew full well that I would get a beating of my life. As it happens, I told my parents the truth, and about 30 minutes later after a coffee, my mum and I went down to the police station and answered all the necessary questions. I got 6 months probation in the end and learnt a great lesson in taking responsibility for your actions.
It turned out a few years later, this so-called friend got caught driving without a licence or insurance and gave my name twice and my date of birth. I went to caught, and the prosecution had a photo of him and they knew it wasn't me from the start. I could have battered him for that, but I knew that if I did, I would have ended up in jail.