(September 26, 2016 at 8:44 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: I'm not changing any narrative, I showed you video of 2 men resisting cops by using force. The charges were dropped. If you're not allowed to resist cops authority, then explain why the charges were dropped.The bold part of your statement is what I mean people wrongly assume that an arrest is a judgement. Which is why I said:
Many, people foolish think that an arrest or being detain is the same as being sentenced to a prison term. So they over react, and try and excuse none compliant behavior with how the law reads.. Due process at this point does include an opportunity for you or me to defend one self. that is a matter of the court.
You wrongly assumed that just because one is arrested the charges should stick. I am saying cops have one job, and that is to detain or arrest people. that's it that's all. The due process/justice part does not end with an arrest. It comes at trial. Or in your two videos case, all the checks and balances before the trial like say the Sergent's or the prosecutor's desk.
My whole point in the statement "you can't alpha a cop" means you're going to jail come hell or high water if a cop has it in his mind to take you. Now.. Does that trip to jail mean the cop was justified or his decision will stand up to the conviction process?? no. But again, that is not what I am talking about, which is why I said you changed the narrative. As I was only trying to say that if a cop has it in his mind to take you to jail your going and no amount of BS or even effort is going to keep you out of jail... so then why fight? Why BS?? Why put on a defense for the cop/why pour on the civil rights crap? if your going to jail, your going to jail, you citing due process (what happens after said arrest) is not going to matter during an arrest. Which again is what people seem like they don't know or are forgetting.
Durning the arrest process we are all expected to surrender with out a fight. Once we put up a fight then the cops are witnessing a crime (resisting arrest or assault on a police officer) in which case are allowed to suspend your 'rights' in your apprehension. which is why I said all your civil rights crap was just that during an arrest. Once you have been detained then your rights are reapplied, which affords you due process that determines if an arrest was proper or if you are guilty of any crime that may have had the cops arrest you to begin with.
Quote:Were the guys initially arrested? yes... I shouldn't have to explain to you that cops tend to misrepresent facts when they know they are in the wrong.
Quote:then like you ask me I ask you why didn't the charges stick? why were these two cases dismissed?Because cops are not judges, jurys or lawyers. they are simply the arresting agency. they only repersent one aspect of the process we are due, by our constitutional rights. they get it right we goto jail, they get it wrong we go free.
The people you seem to believe this is 12th century England where being arrested is the same as being guilty.
Quote:Did Christ rebel when He was 'unlawfully' detained, or did he put up a fight? What did He tell peter after he tried to fight the unlawful detention of Christ?
Did Paul fight capture, did he call for riots even after being whipped?
If you are honest to yourself about our religion you will note the whole religion center's itself around those of us who have been wrongful detained and prosecuted and yet remained faithful even unto death. So then how is the cross you've been asked to be somehow greater and excuses you from submission than the literal crosses Christ and just about everyone who followed Him were nailed to?
Not to mention Paul's direct command in Rom 13 for us to submit ourselves to the governing authorities. Which was a lot tougher command to follow in his day under an insane Ceaser who crucified christians and set them ablaze to light his garden parties.
Of which I'm sure did not receive anything close to a fair trial.
Quote:Did you forget that Jesus straight up told Pilate that he had no authority over him other than what God gave him? So Jesus was submitting to the will of God not the authority of Pilate.Again, confusing due process with being arrested.
You are right pilate did not have authority over Christ, but my point is only magnified by the fact that even though Pilate had no authority over Jesus, Jesus still submitted to the arrest. Which flies in direct opposition to what you said about the bible not saying we had to endure a wrongful arrest.
How much more wrong could an arrest ever be, than the arrest of Christ?
Yet He submitted and went with the arresting guards.
Quote:As for the Paul (and for any christian), it was an honor to suffer for the name sake of Jesus Christ, they will receive their reward Does it not say in Hebrews that Moses esteemed the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures of Egypt: For he respect unto the recommence of the reward?If it served God to do so. As I am a servant looking to do the will of my master.
Let me ask you a question.
If the "governing authorities" commanded you to renounce your faith... would you do so?
But,
Right now with my current understanding? I look forward to dying like Paul rather than kneeling before a Hillary type regime.
That said when they come for me I will not fight them, and just short of God giving me direct instructions to the contrary I will die as they did.