RE: The stupidity of sin
October 5, 2016 at 1:16 am
(This post was last modified: October 5, 2016 at 1:22 am by robvalue.)
My point still stands, in that belief is not a free choice. You can't choose to gain or drop a belief, just because you want to. There has to be some sort of reason. So it's quite possible this reason is never supplied, throughout your whole life, no matter how much you may search for it.
You can choose to review evidence, you can choose to talk to people who disagree. You can choose to spend your life studying a subject, to see if it changes your opinion. But ultimately, it may not. I've chosen to talk to many theists and to listen to their arguments and "evidence". I've found none of it convincing even in the slightest, and I can't simply chose to find it convincing.
If none of the evidence ever presented by anyone is sufficient to change my belief in Jesus, or whatever is required, that's not my conscious choice. It means me and the evidence don't mesh. If I'm to be punished for that, God is an idiot, looking for ways to justify his judgements to himself. He knows what would convince me, and he's choosing not to supply it. I've searched, believe me. I actively enjoy reviewing new evidence and arguments. It's just they never arrive. It's the same dozen or so warmed over fallacious arguments. You see, it doesn't matter to me whether there is a god or not anyway. I don't care, it's just scientific curiosity. I have no emotional reason for disbelief.
I still don't see how sin is simply unbelief. The bible is full of descriptions of other sins, and of course, there's original sin: the most disgusting concept I think I've ever heard of.
Analogies with human parents always fail hard because human parents are bound by limited powers and resources. They must make compromises. A God has no need.
You can choose to review evidence, you can choose to talk to people who disagree. You can choose to spend your life studying a subject, to see if it changes your opinion. But ultimately, it may not. I've chosen to talk to many theists and to listen to their arguments and "evidence". I've found none of it convincing even in the slightest, and I can't simply chose to find it convincing.
If none of the evidence ever presented by anyone is sufficient to change my belief in Jesus, or whatever is required, that's not my conscious choice. It means me and the evidence don't mesh. If I'm to be punished for that, God is an idiot, looking for ways to justify his judgements to himself. He knows what would convince me, and he's choosing not to supply it. I've searched, believe me. I actively enjoy reviewing new evidence and arguments. It's just they never arrive. It's the same dozen or so warmed over fallacious arguments. You see, it doesn't matter to me whether there is a god or not anyway. I don't care, it's just scientific curiosity. I have no emotional reason for disbelief.
I still don't see how sin is simply unbelief. The bible is full of descriptions of other sins, and of course, there's original sin: the most disgusting concept I think I've ever heard of.
Analogies with human parents always fail hard because human parents are bound by limited powers and resources. They must make compromises. A God has no need.
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